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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>having only just started reading about Tasmanian Aboriginal history,  I am reserving my right to comment until I know a bit more...!

However if anyone can  send me in the right direction for actual numbers of the Tasmanian Aboriginal nations that perished at the hands of the settlers, albeit through violence, assimilation or disease, I would be most grateful.

Adam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having only just started reading about Tasmanian Aboriginal history,  I am reserving my right to comment until I know a bit more&#8230;!</p>
<p>However if anyone can  send me in the right direction for actual numbers of the Tasmanian Aboriginal nations that perished at the hands of the settlers, albeit through violence, assimilation or disease, I would be most grateful.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has gone up quite dramatically, Nicholas; but it&#039;s too embarrassing to explain why.
Even more embarrassing for Newcastle University is Lyndall Ryan et al&#039;s nervous avoidance of the key fabrication issues.  Ryan did return to campus, and was even &#039;promoted&#039;, but when they hsd a campus launch for their attempted whitewash of her fabrications, that quaint book bearing the  title of &quot;Whitewash&quot;, surprise. surprise, neither the students nor most of the acdemics were told.
Notices went up on campus advertising the launch of a book during a Fine Arts exhibition, bur I found no student who had realised it was a History [sic] book being launched, or that the famous Lyndall Ryan had returned (briefly) for its launching.
Not, of course, that many academics would have been surprised when they found out what had happened.
As one academic said, anyone interested in a fascinating Ph D area need go no further than the Three Wise Monkeys behaviour of those aware of what has happened here.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has gone up quite dramatically, Nicholas; but it&#8217;s too embarrassing to explain why.<br />
Even more embarrassing for Newcastle University is Lyndall Ryan et al&#8217;s nervous avoidance of the key fabrication issues.  Ryan did return to campus, and was even &#8216;promoted&#8217;, but when they hsd a campus launch for their attempted whitewash of her fabrications, that quaint book bearing the  title of &#8220;Whitewash&#8221;, surprise. surprise, neither the students nor most of the acdemics were told.<br />
Notices went up on campus advertising the launch of a book during a Fine Arts exhibition, bur I found no student who had realised it was a History [sic] book being launched, or that the famous Lyndall Ryan had returned (briefly) for its launching.<br />
Not, of course, that many academics would have been surprised when they found out what had happened.<br />
As one academic said, anyone interested in a fascinating Ph D area need go no further than the Three Wise Monkeys behaviour of those aware of what has happened here.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robert
Is the Aboriginal population going down,? If so do you know why,?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robert<br />
Is the Aboriginal population going down,? If so do you know why,?</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.</description>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all this, Robert.  Funnily enough, I find his belief that Tas.  Aborigines didn&#039;t have fire to be the most damning evidence against him.  The linguistic evidence is strong (apart from anything else) but common sense just tells us that it would be nigh-on impossible to survive without fire-making skills.  Windbagschuttle&#039;s willingness to accept this implausible idea is revealing I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all this, Robert.  Funnily enough, I find his belief that Tas.  Aborigines didn&#8217;t have fire to be the most damning evidence against him.  The linguistic evidence is strong (apart from anything else) but common sense just tells us that it would be nigh-on impossible to survive without fire-making skills.  Windbagschuttle&#8217;s willingness to accept this implausible idea is revealing I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to see some analysis of the content and ideological underpinnings of Keith Windschuttle&#039;s work. Too few people seem to realise that the book is simply a part of his ongoing denigration and criticism of land rights, reconciliation and museum displays that mention massacres.  
It&#039;s intriguing that he claims that his book &#039;examines how we can know about the past, the kinds of evidence we can regard as reliable, and how to detect false claims when they are made&#039;. 
A graphic example of &#039;the kinds of evidence we can regard as reliable, and how to detect false claims when they are made&#039; occurs in the introduction where eh recycles his earlier attacks on former Governor-General Sir William Deane, the National Museum of Australia and &#039;historians of Aboriginal Australia over the previous thirty years&#039;. On page 7 he criticises Deane for making &#039;his last symbolic gesture as head of state&#039; at Mistake Creek with an &#039;apology for a massacre the local tribe suffered, and for all those perpetrated by whites on Aborigines&#039;. Yet, as Windschuttle is well aware, and as the transcript of the ABC&#039;s 7.30 Report (11/6/01) shows, Deane actually said: &quot;I&#039;d like to say to the Kitja people how profoundly sorry I personally am that such events defaced our land, this beautiful land&quot;. His speech did not include an apology. Nor did it refer to the perpetrators of either the Mistake Creek massacre or any massacre &#039;perpetrated by whites on Aborigines&#039;. 
Still, it is good that Windschuttle is encouraging future students of history to think about &#039;the kinds of evidence we can regard as reliable&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to see some analysis of the content and ideological underpinnings of Keith Windschuttle&#8217;s work. Too few people seem to realise that the book is simply a part of his ongoing denigration and criticism of land rights, reconciliation and museum displays that mention massacres.<br />
It&#8217;s intriguing that he claims that his book &#8216;examines how we can know about the past, the kinds of evidence we can regard as reliable, and how to detect false claims when they are made&#8217;.<br />
A graphic example of &#8216;the kinds of evidence we can regard as reliable, and how to detect false claims when they are made&#8217; occurs in the introduction where eh recycles his earlier attacks on former Governor-General Sir William Deane, the National Museum of Australia and &#8216;historians of Aboriginal Australia over the previous thirty years&#8217;. On page 7 he criticises Deane for making &#8216;his last symbolic gesture as head of state&#8217; at Mistake Creek with an &#8216;apology for a massacre the local tribe suffered, and for all those perpetrated by whites on Aborigines&#8217;. Yet, as Windschuttle is well aware, and as the transcript of the ABC&#8217;s 7.30 Report (11/6/01) shows, Deane actually said: &#8220;I&#8217;d like to say to the Kitja people how profoundly sorry I personally am that such events defaced our land, this beautiful land&#8221;. His speech did not include an apology. Nor did it refer to the perpetrators of either the Mistake Creek massacre or any massacre &#8216;perpetrated by whites on Aborigines&#8217;.<br />
Still, it is good that Windschuttle is encouraging future students of history to think about &#8216;the kinds of evidence we can regard as reliable&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathie, I agree that the best part of Winschuttle&#039;s work is the challenge it lays down. It tells historians to be very careful in their research, and to be prepared to defend their conclusions. That&#039;s worthwhile, even if you think Windschuttle&#039;s opinion is a racist foregone conclusion.

I&#039;m going to have to do another post on this subject, because The Australian has devoted most of its Inquirer section to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathie, I agree that the best part of Winschuttle&#8217;s work is the challenge it lays down. It tells historians to be very careful in their research, and to be prepared to defend their conclusions. That&#8217;s worthwhile, even if you think Windschuttle&#8217;s opinion is a racist foregone conclusion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to have to do another post on this subject, because The Australian has devoted most of its Inquirer section to it.</p>
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		<title>By: gjw</title>
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		<dc:creator>gjw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to Tasmanian Aboriginies not having use of fire, this has been a long standing theory (I _think_ Tim Flannery also holds this belief), but it&#039;s not quite as simple as that.  The claim is, they did not have the knowledge to START fires; they relied on lightning strikes, after which they lit a firestick and endeavoured to keep that alight, even sharing this fire amoung clans.  I&#039;m not a historian, I&#039;m not claiming this is true or not, but I thought it was a longstanding belief about the lives of Tasmanian Aboriginies. 

 In regards to the book, I plan to read it soon, along with its traditional counterpart (forgotten the name of the author of that one...Robert?) and take them both on their relative merits.  I believe the Aboriginal race was massacred in Tasmania - let Windschuttle try and convince me otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to Tasmanian Aboriginies not having use of fire, this has been a long standing theory (I _think_ Tim Flannery also holds this belief), but it&#8217;s not quite as simple as that.  The claim is, they did not have the knowledge to START fires; they relied on lightning strikes, after which they lit a firestick and endeavoured to keep that alight, even sharing this fire amoung clans.  I&#8217;m not a historian, I&#8217;m not claiming this is true or not, but I thought it was a longstanding belief about the lives of Tasmanian Aboriginies. </p>
<p> In regards to the book, I plan to read it soon, along with its traditional counterpart (forgotten the name of the author of that one&#8230;Robert?) and take them both on their relative merits.  I believe the Aboriginal race was massacred in Tasmania &#8211; let Windschuttle try and convince me otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also intend to have a look at Windshuttle&#039;s new book, and to post further some time early next year.

I&#039;ll be seeing if Macquarie University has a copy, as I don&#039;t want my purchase the book and encourage other would-be controversialists.

However, it would have been all power to Windshuttle if he was attacking post-modern historians or focusing on lazy scholarship, which like all other human endeavours there is always the inherent possibility of error.

However, my early impressions, are that Windshuttle makes some similar errors of judgement, and that he seems to have have cooked up his own brand of kooky conspiracy theories.

He is not the only one, retired anthropoligist  Roger Sandall who wrote &quot;The Culture Cult: Designer Tribalism and Other Essays&quot; also seems to believe the academy is jaundiced towards a moral relativism which censors competing opinion. 

His book was followed by an array of scathing reviews, in the Australian Book Review, the SMH, The Age.  

This review however, points out that there is no mass censorship of views, considering the attention that both Sandall and Windshuttle have received.

&quot;As if radio interviews, opinion-page columns and Saturday Extra front pages were not enough, Sandall was invited, at some months&#039; notice, to participate in a public forum devoted to his book, which is to take place at this year&#039;s annual conference of the Australian Anthropological Society, to be held in September. Most anthropologists would kill for this kind of exposure. The few scholars to be favoured with such opportunities often cross the globe to take them up. Sandall declined the invitation, claiming that his book was not, after all, about anthropology.&quot; 

The complete review is at
   
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~abr/Sept01/patrickwolfe.html

While Sandall may have some points that there may be some romanticisation of Indigenous cultures, with many unaware of the fierce realities confronted by many such cultures, in my opinion he has been unable to prove his allegation that scholars are slanted towards a prevalant mind-set that hampers their findings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also intend to have a look at Windshuttle&#8217;s new book, and to post further some time early next year.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be seeing if Macquarie University has a copy, as I don&#8217;t want my purchase the book and encourage other would-be controversialists.</p>
<p>However, it would have been all power to Windshuttle if he was attacking post-modern historians or focusing on lazy scholarship, which like all other human endeavours there is always the inherent possibility of error.</p>
<p>However, my early impressions, are that Windshuttle makes some similar errors of judgement, and that he seems to have have cooked up his own brand of kooky conspiracy theories.</p>
<p>He is not the only one, retired anthropoligist  Roger Sandall who wrote &#8220;The Culture Cult: Designer Tribalism and Other Essays&#8221; also seems to believe the academy is jaundiced towards a moral relativism which censors competing opinion. </p>
<p>His book was followed by an array of scathing reviews, in the Australian Book Review, the SMH, The Age.  </p>
<p>This review however, points out that there is no mass censorship of views, considering the attention that both Sandall and Windshuttle have received.</p>
<p>&#8220;As if radio interviews, opinion-page columns and Saturday Extra front pages were not enough, Sandall was invited, at some months&#8217; notice, to participate in a public forum devoted to his book, which is to take place at this year&#8217;s annual conference of the Australian Anthropological Society, to be held in September. Most anthropologists would kill for this kind of exposure. The few scholars to be favoured with such opportunities often cross the globe to take them up. Sandall declined the invitation, claiming that his book was not, after all, about anthropology.&#8221; </p>
<p>The complete review is at</p>
<p><a href="http://home.vicnet.net.au/~abr/Sept01/patrickwolfe.html" rel="nofollow">http://home.vicnet.net.au/~abr/Sept01/patrickwolfe.html</a></p>
<p>While Sandall may have some points that there may be some romanticisation of Indigenous cultures, with many unaware of the fierce realities confronted by many such cultures, in my opinion he has been unable to prove his allegation that scholars are slanted towards a prevalant mind-set that hampers their findings.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathie Clement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathie Clement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Robert
Don&#039;t tell me you&#039;ve gone on holidays when Australia is about to sink below the horizon.

Still, even on holidays, you won&#039;t have missed the &quot;fact&quot; that museum professionals, historians and others are dead worried about our National Museum being attacked by a coterie that is set on proving that the government owes indigenous Australians nothing in the way of either a national apology, compensation, consciousness raising (through curriculum changes, museum displays, etc), land tenure, native title, reparation or Sorry Days. 

The campaign is being waged by:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;challenging the validity of written and oral material that points to indigenous people having suffered (in any way) at the hands of &quot;white&quot; Australians,&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;using written source materials selectively to indicate that accounts of past suffering have been exaggerated,&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;recycling information from the public domain in a way that implies that fresh research has disproved massacre stories,&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;pretending that official records give an accurate and complete account of colonisation activities and the administration of indigenous affairs,&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;pretending that written records can prove or disprove what happened in now controversial historical events,&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;dismissing oral testimony about the removal of children as &#039;recovered memory&#039;,&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;dismissing massacre stories as &#039;bush gossip&#039; and &#039;tales my granny told me&#039;,&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;making unfounded allegations against indigenous storytellers to diminish their credibility,&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;using the acknowledgment that not all removals of indigenous or mixed-blood children were &quot;bad&quot; to invalidate use of the term &#039;stolen generations&#039;,&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;using journals, newspapers and complaints to government boards and ministers to attack museum professionals who dare to present information about massacres in their displays,&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;magnifying errors of &quot;fact&quot; made by high profile Australians to undermine the credibility of the Bringing Them Home report, the High Court, the Mabo judgement, &quot;orthodox&quot; historiography, school curriculums and university history departments, and&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;pretending that individual errors of &quot;fact&quot; invalidate entire bodies of work.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;The currently active members of the coterie include: Keith Windschuttle (author and publisher), Rod Moran (author and The West Australian literary editor), Paddy McGuinness (columnist and Quadrant editor), Miranda Devine (columnist and Quadrant editorial board member) and Christopher Pearson (journalist, Quadrant editorial board member and The Adelaide Review editor). Their supporters include Michael Duffy (a columnist who apparently once &#039;described many of the pro-Aboriginal intelligentsia as &quot;white maggots&quot; who are &quot;trying to suck the blood&quot; from the Aborigines&#039;) and Paul Sheehan (journalist and author).

It is important for people both inside and outside Australia to be aware that the campaign is being waged and that Keith Windschuttle&#039;s Fabrication of Aboriginal History is not a book that stands alone. Numerous Internet links can be made available to those interested in the issue.
With best wishes
Cathie 
PS The dot points in my Word version of this e-mail, after &quot;The campaign is being waged by&quot;, disappeared in the paste. Sorry about that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Robert<br />
Don&#8217;t tell me you&#8217;ve gone on holidays when Australia is about to sink below the horizon.</p>
<p>Still, even on holidays, you won&#8217;t have missed the &#8220;fact&#8221; that museum professionals, historians and others are dead worried about our National Museum being attacked by a coterie that is set on proving that the government owes indigenous Australians nothing in the way of either a national apology, compensation, consciousness raising (through curriculum changes, museum displays, etc), land tenure, native title, reparation or Sorry Days. </p>
<p>The campaign is being waged by:
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<li>challenging the validity of written and oral material that points to indigenous people having suffered (in any way) at the hands of &#8220;white&#8221; Australians,</li>
<li>using written source materials selectively to indicate that accounts of past suffering have been exaggerated,</li>
<li>recycling information from the public domain in a way that implies that fresh research has disproved massacre stories,</li>
<li>pretending that official records give an accurate and complete account of colonisation activities and the administration of indigenous affairs,</li>
<li>pretending that written records can prove or disprove what happened in now controversial historical events,</li>
<li>dismissing oral testimony about the removal of children as &#8216;recovered memory&#8217;,</li>
<li>dismissing massacre stories as &#8216;bush gossip&#8217; and &#8216;tales my granny told me&#8217;,</li>
<li>making unfounded allegations against indigenous storytellers to diminish their credibility,</li>
<li>using the acknowledgment that not all removals of indigenous or mixed-blood children were &#8220;bad&#8221; to invalidate use of the term &#8217;stolen generations&#8217;,</li>
<li>using journals, newspapers and complaints to government boards and ministers to attack museum professionals who dare to present information about massacres in their displays,</li>
<li>magnifying errors of &#8220;fact&#8221; made by high profile Australians to undermine the credibility of the Bringing Them Home report, the High Court, the Mabo judgement, &#8220;orthodox&#8221; historiography, school curriculums and university history departments, and</li>
<li>pretending that individual errors of &#8220;fact&#8221; invalidate entire bodies of work.</li>
</ul>
<p>The currently active members of the coterie include: Keith Windschuttle (author and publisher), Rod Moran (author and The West Australian literary editor), Paddy McGuinness (columnist and Quadrant editor), Miranda Devine (columnist and Quadrant editorial board member) and Christopher Pearson (journalist, Quadrant editorial board member and The Adelaide Review editor). Their supporters include Michael Duffy (a columnist who apparently once &#8216;described many of the pro-Aboriginal intelligentsia as &#8220;white maggots&#8221; who are &#8220;trying to suck the blood&#8221; from the Aborigines&#8217;) and Paul Sheehan (journalist and author).</p>
<p>It is important for people both inside and outside Australia to be aware that the campaign is being waged and that Keith Windschuttle&#8217;s Fabrication of Aboriginal History is not a book that stands alone. Numerous Internet links can be made available to those interested in the issue.<br />
With best wishes<br />
Cathie<br />
PS The dot points in my Word version of this e-mail, after &#8220;The campaign is being waged by&#8221;, disappeared in the paste. Sorry about that.</p>
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