Comments on: Thanks, Tim http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/ "The thinking Laborite would as lief be found in bed with a cobra as in a committee room armed with 'arguments' from the Tory press." --- Truth, Perth, 19 June 1915. Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:29:18 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Gary http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/comment-page-1/#comment-502 Gary Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/#comment-502 Gota love it, democracy in a box. Gota love it, democracy in a box.

]]> By: vaara http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/comment-page-1/#comment-503 vaara Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/#comment-503 "American Democracy" in a box... that was the subject of an animation by Terry Gilliam of Monty Python fame. “American Democracy” in a box… that was the subject of an animation by Terry Gilliam of Monty Python fame.

]]> By: XXX http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/comment-page-1/#comment-504 XXX Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/#comment-504 "I support a war to topple Saddam Hussein. But only if it's waged for the right reasons." I don't think toppling Saddam is about making us feel good inside. If its done for money or done for 'love', the outcome is the same - a 100% chance of a murderous dictator gone, with a slim possibility they won't like the next guy. When people are being oppressed do we really have the luxury of waiting for our personally prefered moral justification to arise? We're chosing between the lesser of two evils - if we don't chose one, then the greater of them - Saddam in power - continues. Idealism isn't going to help anyone. But it will make you feel better ;-) “I support a war to topple Saddam Hussein. But only if it’s waged for the right reasons.”

I don’t think toppling Saddam is about making us feel good inside. If its done for money or done for ‘love’, the outcome is the same – a 100% chance of a murderous dictator gone, with a slim possibility they won’t like the next guy.

When people are being oppressed do we really have the luxury of waiting for our personally prefered moral justification to arise?

We’re chosing between the lesser of two evils – if we don’t chose one, then the greater of them – Saddam in power – continues.

Idealism isn’t going to help anyone. But it will make you feel better ;-)

]]> By: Carita http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/comment-page-1/#comment-505 Carita Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/#comment-505 Bullshit XXX. Give me morals any day. Bullshit XXX. Give me morals any day.

]]> By: Scott Wickstein http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/comment-page-1/#comment-506 Scott Wickstein Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/#comment-506 Ah, but who's morals? I don't think I want yours- probably you don't want mine. It's a good idea to not get too bogged down in 'morality' for this reason. Ah, but who’s morals? I don’t think I want yours- probably you don’t want mine.

It’s a good idea to not get too bogged down in ‘morality’ for this reason.

]]> By: Carita http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/comment-page-1/#comment-507 Carita Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/#comment-507 Rubbish. You're right, none of us want each others' morals, but we'd be stupid to go into war without at the very least acknowledging that there are ethical questions that need to be addressed first. Adn they'll do more than simply "make us feel better". Rubbish. You’re right, none of us want each others’ morals, but we’d be stupid to go into war without at the very least acknowledging that there are ethical questions that need to be addressed first. Adn they’ll do more than simply “make us feel better”.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/comment-page-1/#comment-508 Jonathan Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/#comment-508 I believe Saddam should be toppled - just not by us. I believe Saddam should be toppled – just not by us.

]]> By: MK http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/comment-page-1/#comment-509 MK Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/#comment-509 I think the theory is that the ends doesn't justify the means. However, if the means are merely adhorent to us and not to others (i.e. only subjectively bad) and the ends are objectively good, is there really a problem? Note, this is a question, not an answer. I think the theory is that the ends doesn’t justify the means. However, if the means are merely adhorent to us and not to others (i.e. only subjectively bad) and the ends are objectively good, is there really a problem?

Note, this is a question, not an answer.

]]> By: mark http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/comment-page-1/#comment-510 mark Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2003/01/10/thanks-tim/#comment-510 XXX, there's more than just a "slim possibility they won't like the next guy." America has a long and rich history in not giving a shit about who they stick in power, as long as the person/group in question is either pro-American or gets an itchy trigger finger at the slightest mention of leftism. XXX, there’s more than just a “slim possibility they won’t like the next guy.” America has a long and rich history in not giving a shit about who they stick in power, as long as the person/group in question is either pro-American or gets an itchy trigger finger at the slightest mention of leftism.

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