Comments on: Back in your box, Roxon http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/ "The thinking Laborite would as lief be found in bed with a cobra as in a committee room armed with 'arguments' from the Tory press." --- Truth, Perth, 19 June 1915. Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:29:18 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Peter http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/comment-page-1/#comment-3983 Peter Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/#comment-3983 As I commented in your earlier post, where you asked the question, "And what will Mark Latham do?" He'll have one of his MP's [Roxon] pander to the prejudices of the Christians, and have another of his MP's [Albanese] pander to the prejudices of the inner city types. What a swell party this is! As I commented in your earlier post, where you asked the question, “And what will Mark Latham do?”

He’ll have one of his MP’s [Roxon] pander to the prejudices of the Christians, and have another of his MP’s [Albanese] pander to the prejudices of the inner city types.

What a swell party this is!

]]> By: Torre http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/comment-page-1/#comment-3984 Torre Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/#comment-3984 Peter, that is exactly what Latham will do, except for one problem. Albanese is not pandering to inner city "prejudices" by making the radical argument that gays and lesbians should be endowed with the same rights as their heterosexual fellow Australians. If we're equal, then we should all have the right to marry the person we love. Refusing to perform marriages for gays and lesbians is a matter for denominations to determine for themselves. The denial of civil unions is an absolute bloody disgrace. There's a two bob each way thing going on here, undeniably, but referring to the support of gay and lesbian marriage as a "prejudice" is just bloody stupid - though some folks who support it may be prejudiced against Christianity (and a score of other things) that's ultimately irrelevant. Peter, that is exactly what Latham will do, except for one problem.

Albanese is not pandering to inner city “prejudices” by making the radical argument that gays and lesbians should be endowed with the same rights as their heterosexual fellow Australians. If we’re equal, then we should all have the right to marry the person we love. Refusing to perform marriages for gays and lesbians is a matter for denominations to determine for themselves. The denial of civil unions is an absolute bloody disgrace.

There’s a two bob each way thing going on here, undeniably, but referring to the support of gay and lesbian marriage as a “prejudice” is just bloody stupid – though some folks who support it may be prejudiced against Christianity
(and a score of other things) that’s ultimately irrelevant.

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/comment-page-1/#comment-3985 Jeremy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/#comment-3985 As long as a majority of Australians are stupid and bigotted, this sort of stuff will keep happening. We've just got to wait for the older generation to bloody-well die off. As long as a majority of Australians are stupid and bigotted, this sort of stuff will keep happening. We’ve just got to wait for the older generation to bloody-well die off.

]]> By: monkeytype http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/comment-page-1/#comment-3986 monkeytype Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/#comment-3986 Where to vote now? Voting Liberal has never been under consideration. Labour seemed like a pretty sure bet, then along came support for the FTA, and now confirmed support for a bigoted view of marriage (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/10/1092102434806.html)... Where does a pinko with an eye for economics go? Greens? Democrats? Where is the other party? Where to vote now?

Voting Liberal has never been under consideration. Labour seemed like a pretty sure bet, then along came support for the FTA, and now confirmed support for a bigoted view of marriage (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/10/1092102434806.html)...

Where does a pinko with an eye for economics go? Greens? Democrats? Where is the other party?

]]> By: Peter http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/comment-page-1/#comment-3987 Peter Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/#comment-3987 Torre, I'm all for gay marriages. And after hearing the Tradmeister, a man with three mothers, complaining about the depiction of a girl with two, I'm all for lesbians on Playschool. I didn't mean that support for gay marriage was a prejudice, just that 'right on' types can be just as prone to bigotry as any one else. Take young Jeremy for instance: ""As long as a majority of Australians are stupid and bigotted, this sort of stuff will keep happening. We've just got to wait for the older generation to bloody-well die off."" Either way, I'll vote for which ever party promises to build a fourth runway in Albanese's electorate. Torre,

I’m all for gay marriages. And after hearing the Tradmeister, a man with three mothers, complaining about the depiction of a girl with two, I’m all for lesbians on Playschool.

I didn’t mean that support for gay marriage was a prejudice, just that ‘right on’ types can be just as prone to bigotry as any one else.

Take young Jeremy for instance:

“”As long as a majority of Australians are stupid and bigotted, this sort of stuff will keep happening. We’ve just got to wait for the older generation to bloody-well die off.”"

Either way, I’ll vote for which ever party promises to build a fourth runway in Albanese’s electorate.

]]> By: g http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/comment-page-1/#comment-3988 g Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/#comment-3988 let's not forget though Labour is backed by the largest and st conservatve union in Australia, the Shopworkers etc (SDA? - I forget the title from my days of checkout chicking). As far as glbtqpi rights go, the coalition have always been better as they've alerted us well in advance of ther stance and their anmosity. Labor, at state and federal levels, have played hide and seek for far too long, tickling our feet with promises of reform and imploring patience whilst pissing in our back pockets to get the catholic mums and dads on side. But the big bullshit about this is in Oz very few ppl were pushing for marriage rights until John Howard decided to "ban" them, and Latham and co knew a wedge when they saw it. Latham's pragmatism is neither whitlamesque or keatingesque, but howardesque at its best - he's learnt well at the knee of his master. Now I'm off to balance my budget to see if I can afford m perscription medicines this fortnight. let’s not forget though Labour is backed by the largest and st conservatve union in Australia, the Shopworkers etc (SDA? – I forget the title from my days of checkout chicking). As far as glbtqpi rights go, the coalition have always been better as they’ve alerted us well in advance of ther stance and their anmosity. Labor, at state and federal levels, have played hide and seek for far too long, tickling our feet with promises of reform and imploring patience whilst pissing in our back pockets to get the catholic mums and dads on side.
But the big bullshit about this is in Oz very few ppl were pushing for marriage rights until John Howard decided to “ban” them, and Latham and co knew a wedge when they saw it. Latham’s pragmatism is neither whitlamesque or keatingesque, but howardesque at its best – he’s learnt well at the knee of his master.
Now I’m off to balance my budget to see if I can afford m perscription medicines this fortnight.

]]> By: observa http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/comment-page-1/#comment-3989 observa Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/#comment-3989 ""As long as a majority of Australians are stupid and bigotted, this sort of stuff will keep happening. We've just got to wait for the older generation to bloody-well die off."" Well not quite die off. They just have to learn the moral relativism of promising one thing to get elected and doing the opposite in power eh Nicola? Wouldn't want any absolutist straight shooters mucking up the plot to get those lying, deceitful Howardists. You have to toe the Party line on doublespeak in order to be able to honorably ditch certain non-core, relativist promises later my dear. “”As long as a majority of Australians are stupid and bigotted, this sort of stuff will keep happening. We’ve just got to wait for the older generation to bloody-well die off.”"

Well not quite die off. They just have to learn the moral relativism of promising one thing to get elected and doing the opposite in power eh Nicola? Wouldn’t want any absolutist straight shooters mucking up the plot to get those lying, deceitful Howardists. You have to toe the Party line on doublespeak in order to be able to honorably ditch certain non-core, relativist promises later my dear.

]]> By: observa http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/comment-page-1/#comment-3990 observa Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/#comment-3990 Err, if you were wondering what you and the Party really stand for, it's elementary my dear Roxon. Anything but Howard! Err, if you were wondering what you and the Party really stand for, it’s elementary my dear Roxon. Anything but Howard!

]]> By: mark http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/comment-page-1/#comment-3991 mark Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/#comment-3991 Who was it that came up with the phrase "core promises", observa? Compare "party hack" with "Prime Minister". Neither party has anything to be proud of in the "promises" stakes. Who was it that came up with the phrase “core promises”, observa? Compare “party hack” with “Prime Minister”.

Neither party has anything to be proud of in the “promises” stakes.

]]> By: Iain http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/comment-page-1/#comment-3992 Iain Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2004/08/10/back-in-your-box-roxon/#comment-3992 Roxon's speech is the perfect example of why the Labor is basically up shit creek. Firstly she has zero political nouse. Why would you pander to a bunch of religious zealots who were never going to vote Labor in the first place. Meanwhile they have pissed off so many inner city types (gays and friends of gays) who are now streaming to the Greens. mark my words this is a vote changing issue. howard wedged Labor's sorry arse (sorry about the pun) on this issue. It seems Labor want an election victory by default (ie the libs losing it) and they don't even have the guts to stand up to the rednecks. HEY LABOR Get ready for the "abo" wedge. it will be here in a couple of weeks. iain Roxon’s speech is the perfect example of why the Labor is basically up shit creek. Firstly she has zero political nouse. Why would you pander to a bunch of religious zealots who were never going to vote Labor in the first place. Meanwhile they have pissed off so many inner city types (gays and friends of gays) who are now streaming to the Greens. mark my words this is a vote changing issue.
howard wedged Labor’s sorry arse (sorry about the pun) on this issue.
It seems Labor want an election victory by default (ie the libs losing it) and they don’t even have the guts to stand up to the rednecks.
HEY LABOR Get ready for the “abo” wedge. it will be here in a couple of weeks.
iain

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