A big coincidence
According to Pompous Piers Hackerman:
Family First, which boasts 2000 members nationally, makes no mention of the AOG [Assemblies of God] or any other church and, while it professes Christian ethics, its policies lay no claim on any religion.
Family First media liaison Darryn Kenneally says the party has no commitment to the AOG, receives no money from the AOG, has no connection to the AOG.
This is just bullshit. No connection to the AOG?
Chairman Peter Harris denied Family First was “an Assemblies of God party”, even though six of its seven executive board members — including the chairman, treasurer and secretary — are affiliated with the church. Its only MP, South Australian upper house member Andrew Evans, is the retired Australian head of the church and all its lead Senate candidates are members.
Actually, it’s not just the lead Senate candidates, as Mike Seccombe discovered:
In fact, 11 or 12 of the candidates running under the Family First banner in NSW are connected to the Hawkesbury Church, according to church sources, substantially corroborated through Joan Woods (after confirming 10, she refused to continue to speak about the relgious affiliations of others). And almost all the rest of the 24 candidates the suddenly-powerful party is putting up in NSW also are members of the Assemblies of God.
Mrs Woods concedes that almost all the Family First candidates are AOG adherents. She concedes many of them have only been in politics for a few weeks and many don’t even live in the seats they are standing for.
Unfortunately, it’s impossible to determine whether FFP has received money directly from AOG, as they haven’t yet been required to declare their funding sources to the AEC. But it’s certainly true that they piggy-back on church events for fundraising drives:
Get politics out of my church. That was the call by a disgruntled Nambour parishioner yesterday after a campaigner for a political party interrupted a pentecostal church service to appeal for financial donations and volunteers.
The parishioner, who declined to be named, said he was angered when a volunteer for the fledgling FAmily First party was allowed to make a 15 minute political advertisement mid way through a recent Nambour Assembly of God service.
[…]
“She got up, waffled on about how this guy in Adelaide got into the Senate and then asked for money,” the man said.
One collection for the church, one collection for the pastor, and one collection for Family First. But again, there is no financial link between FFP and AOG.
It’s all just a big coincidence.
that’s all we need is religion in this country to get involved with bloody politics. Pretty soon we’ll have a GWB clones all over the place wanting to go into holy wars with terrorists and shut down the internet, burn good books and turn our TV’s into door stops. When will this religion and state stuff stop getting mixed up? Bad enough with Howard in atm.
http://baliset.blogspot…ians-view.html
Thanks, Stan. I’ve already linked to that one.
Apparently they are not so much a ‘church group’ as ‘a family’ (I got that from one of their State websites).
To expand on that - Vote 1 Families - hence the Family First Party. Clever? The Australian public knew little of this when they voted - all Liberal voters giving their preferences to this party.
They are now trying to deny any association with the AOG. Look at this newsletter available via this AOG website. I refer to the following extract
http://www.aogq.com…ons_july2004.pdf
“FAMILY FIRST
By now you would be aware that Pastor John Lewis will be standing for the Senate at the next Federal election. Furthermore, a number of good Christian people have nominated for Lower House seats. I spoke last week with Brigadier Jim Wallace (from the Australian Christian Lobby) concerning a number of issues and proposed laws currently being prepared for presentation in our Federal Parliament. As ministers of the Gospel, we must have a genuine sense of responsibility as we watch our social fabric deteriorate.
We all need to handle political issues wisely, and though we have no right to tell our people how to vote, I urge you to:
1. Call your people to pray leading up to this next election.
2. Be aware of what each candidate stands for. Where necessary, meet with them prior to the election.
3. Encourage your people to vote for men and women who will stand for righteous values not just play some party line.”
Nowhere in this article do they make specific reference to any other political party or the policies of other political parties?
Other References:
http://www.smh.com…961859541.html
http://news.ninemsn.co…18222
http://www.onlineopini…cle=2580
http://www.unbelief.org/fundies/ffp.html
http://www.crikey.co…04/09/21-0001.html
This one makes references to being against political parties who are inherintly hostile to the US alliance:
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30…04/s1212902.htm
But then again God speak to Bush too (or so he tells us):
http://www.detnews.c…c05-296230.htm
http://www.theaustralian.news..7%255E12272%2C00.html
http://www.irreg…sthroughme.html
http://www.etherzon…20204.shtml
The Family First Party is a political group representing the Assemblies of God (Pentacostal Evangelists):
http://www.theaustralian….67%255E28737,00.html
This is from the Canberra Times ‘Have your say’ where readers can write in and a few of the local pentacostals have given some insights into their belief system and what they are preaching.Read these through - these guys are seriously wacky and exchanged preferences with the Liberals at the last election. ‘Family First’ has a sweet ring to it but I wonder how many people knew they were the wacky pentacostels they were voting in the last election. Every one who Voted 1 Liberal - also voted this religious cult.
From the Canberra Times - Have your say (readers feedback).
YOU CAN’T HIDE FROM GOD
Connie Perry
Friday, 8 October 2004
If the loony antichrist left think they can hide in a polling booth and vote in secret, they need to think again.
When you vote tomorrow, remember, God is watching.
Will you vote for God’s man (the Hon JWHoward)or will you vote for God’s enemy (Mark Latham?
whurst - totally!!
Let this be a lesson to the left.
connie perry
Monday, 11 October 2004
to all the loony left. let it be known that God is not mocked. He installs all leaders, and his will is divine.
John Howard will lead us into an era of unprecedented moral values - God be praised
HYS Riddled with demons and evil spirits
Connie Perry
Tuesday, 12 October 2004
The Bible tells us, that where evil dwells, evil people will dwell also. This is true of HYS.(ie. Have Your Say in the Canberra Times - referring to those who have expressed a reaction to the Pentacostals views expressed in this forum).
Good people like Graeme Gibson, GAT and myself are only here to peirce the darkness with the light of truth and salvation.
You get to choose, join us with God, or role around in your demonic filth and immorality.
One day, very soon, the three of us will be gone from this forum as we join with all other true believers in the wedding of the lamb. Only those invited to the Lords wedding feast will drink from the waters of life.
All others will perish during humanity’s tribulation. but it doesnt end there for you, on that day, you will begin your journey into an eternity of sorrow and regret.
We won’t be able to save you then - time is short.
I don’t make the rules - I follow them
Connie Perry
Tuesday, 12 October 2004
I’m not judging anyone. But it doesn’t take a Christian to know that Whurst has done his dash with God. I seriously doubt there is any option for him now.
I’ve even taken him off my prayer list, because it would just be wasting time now. I don’t want to say, he’s going to hell, I’m not saying it to be hurtful, I’m just stating a fact which is in the bible.
Just look at Family First. They are Assemblies of God, Pentecostal Christians. God put them in the Senate, not the Australian voters. You sinners need to watch and learn.
The Lord is looking over us
Peter Jones
Sunday, 10 October 2004
What a lovely Sunday morning, I went to Church and Jesus visited me. He spoke in tongues through me saying how good it was that the evil Mark Latham had been defeated. Yes, Jesus feels the endtimes have been postponed at least 3 years.
I hope to be able to thank God profusely next Sunday too. I am hoping that God doesn’t regard the ACT too trivial to chuck out Jon Stanhope and his nasty co-conspitators from the Democrats and Greens. Pol Pot was quite something on re-education, and these people will try to force us to accept homosexuality and paedophilia which are synonymous sins against God.
Finally, we have to wish that God gives the most decent Christian leader ever, George W Bush, another four years in the White House.
You are such an inspiration Jesus!
Rejoice!Rejoice!Rejoice!
nrwatson
Sunday, 10 October 2004
What a wonderful day for Australia and Australian democracy! The bigots, fanatics, haters and wedgers have been defeated once again by Iron Jack. The whole weight of the chats has been mobilised against him from the beginning of his time as PM, but he has seen them off once more. The hysterics who are so remote from the modern, tolerant, multiracial Australia that we are blessed to live in, have been silenced surely. Listen to the voice of the people, you bourgeois prats - the voice of the immigrants, the NESB’s, the aspiring classes. They have spoken. Iron Jack is the man, despite the deceit and perfidy of the ABC, the Fairfascist press, the Saddam morning Herald and the rest of the useful idiots who think they are born to rule, but have come up so short, so often, against a
true Australian. The people have overcome that flimsy tissue of lies put about by their ‘distinguished’ betters. Rejoice! Rejoice! Rejoice!
Sara
Tuesday, 12 October 2004
I honestly have no idea, but it bugs me so much.
Who cares if they think, you, me, a collective “we” are all going to “their” hell.
To be quite honest if it’s their idea of heaven and hell they are on about I’d rather rot in hell with the rest of the “sinners that can’t be saved no matter what” - than w*nk in heaven with those losers any day of my enternal after life.
no offence to sincere religious people.
Re David Hall - the holy spirit is cool.
whurst
Tuesday, 12 October 2004
Yes David, you are right.
I apologise for being snippy at the Holy Spirit and for any offence I have cause any genuine Christian.
Those Born Again ballbags, just rile me up, and sometimes I forget that the Real God, and Holy Spirit have nothing to do with Pentecostalism sects and cults.
These low-life tumours try to evevate themselves by saying God spoke to me, or the holy spirit made me coffee, and my natural retort tends to focus on them all as a collective.
So once again, to David Hall and anyone else (apart from Pentecostal Polyps)I am sorry if I caused offence. Having said that, I look forward to the day a Pentecostal knocks on my door, or if I see one on a street corner, or if I stumble into one of your Yabbada, yabbada, yabbada sessions, I intend to raise hell. so, make sure you’re wearing a hat.
J Daley who voted for who?
kenneth vaughan
Monday, 11 October 2004
And with comments like yours John Daley
Monday, 11 October 2004.
Do you really think everyone in Australia voted Liberals or Family First?
A word from Hades
Satan
Monday, 11 October 2004
You’ve crossed the line Whurst.
“Connie Perry
Monday, 11 October 2004
You blasphemed the Holy Spirit. This is a sin that cannot be forgiven, not even by God.
You may have signed your soul over to Satan - I’m afraid you are lost my friend - no salvation for you”
Gibbon, how can you pass judgement??
Are you meant to be a god??
Time to come clean Family First
D.Fraser
Monday, 11 October 2004
With the Family First Party poised to gain the balance of power in the Senate isn’t it about time they told Australians exactly where they stand on issues such as the detention of women and children asylum seekers, the protection of Medicare, education and social justice issue’s in general. It is one thing to call yourself Family First and give Australians a very basic idea of what you stand for but it is another to spell out what you really stand for. After all you may be the only thing that stands between a dictatorship and a democracy.
Connie - translate this.
whurst
Monday, 11 October 2004
yabbada yabbada!
I am the Holy Spirit.
to connie perry re the Holy Spirit
david w hall
Monday, 11 October 2004
The Holy Spirit is cool-it’s just your shithouse lunatic spirit which bothers me. They tell me Hell’s a hot place, and those of you who presume to be in His’s grace while on earth,tend to burn for a very long time, lady. Dont forget to take your tablets tonight. God knows you have deluded yourself again that you dont need to take them.
MORE YOUR SAY >>
A visit from God
WHurst
Monday, 11 October 2004
While I was gardening on Sunday, I was over come with this bright light and a strong purfume of roses, I looked up and saw the Holy Spirit of God. He said unto me “yabbada, yabbada, yabbada” instantly I knew what he was saying,(he said that the Pentecostals have given power to the antichrist’s assistant, and the mark of the beast will begin in this country, under the orders of Howard with in a year”
so I replied “yabbada, yabbada, yabbada” which is tongues for (but they the Pentes are blaming you for this dreadful election result)
He then gave me a message for Australia “Yabbada, yabbada, yabbada, yabbada” let those who have ears listen, yabbada, yabbada, yabbada. And he shall spew Pentecostal snake wranglers from his arse”
Amen.
To Kevin O’Farrell
cna
Monday, 11 October 2004
May I remind you that this is a YOUR say NOT God say.
This is why the world sees us as haters, hypocrites etc as we speak our opinion and add God’s name to it - speak on your own behalf because God knows exactly what He is doing - you on the other hand may need to attend church regularly than just once in awhile and then splurt out such non-sense talk.
You are a disgrace….
John Daley
Sunday, 10 October 2004
Kevin O’Farrell, “God will get His”, Sunday, 10 October - accept thatn you are crazy and that the majority can recognise the truth!
Go to Confession - you idiot!
sinners shut up
Stuart Loughton
Sunday, 10 October 2004
Let’s get this straight for all the Pentecostal, evangelical weirdo church mental patients. There is no link between you and your spastic beliefs and John Howard winning elections. I would have thought being a real Christian would mean NOT lying, stealing and killing people. They are sins according to your book. That’s a fact.
I know many Christians who are Labor voters and don’t advocate any of the above. Being a good Christian is not the God given right of the right, irrespective of how corrupt one is. You just make that shit up because it fits with right wing assholes philosophy of ‘I know everything.’ And if you claim God for you side .. well no one can claim any higher power than that.
So as he’s such a sinner Howard as a good Christian no doubt booked his ticket to hell long ago. You will all be joining him. (I don’t actually believe in hell but I believe that people get their comeuppance and you will all get it, the sooner the better.)
Peter Jones is a wacko.
…..god spoke to him - what bull!
Sunday, 10 October 2004
Next he’ll be walking around in circles speaking in foreign tongues and hearing little voices in his head. God obviously had nothing to do with the election. He’s just up there shaking his head in dis-belief at the result like all the other humanitarians in Australia are.
God will get His
Kevin O’Farrell
Sunday, 10 October 2004
I went to Mass this morning, something I rarely do. I felt I needed to pray for our great country now that it has extended its flirtation with the evil John Howard. Jesus does forgive liars but only to a point. Jesus probably feels it’s a sick country which rewards liars by increasing their political majorities.
I’m not as patient as Jesus - who is in fact? In the end however, God will rid us of evil people like John Howard, Saddam, bin Laden, Tony Blair and George Bush.
Real christian values and morals
Stewart
Friday, 8 October 2004
Graeme Gibson, I’m glad that I don’t go to your church, It seems to be more satanic in things and less in real Christian Values and morals.Real Christians don’t believe in killing innocent people based on false and misleading information.
It’s time this current Government got voted out and we all became tree huggers instead of pre-emptive killers.
Now - this is probably more to the point:
While walking down the street, John Howard is hit by a truck and dies. His soul arrives in heaven, and he is met by St. Peter at the entrance.
“Welcome to heaven,” says St. Peter. “Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see such a high official around these parts, you see, and so we’re not sure what to do with you.”"No problem,” says John Howard, “just let me in,”
“Well, I’d like to, but I have orders from ‘on high.’ What we do is have you spend a day in hell, and a day in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.”
“Okay, I’ve made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,” says John Howard. “I’m sorry but we have our rules.”
And, with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a club, and standing in front of it are all his friends, and other politicians who’d worked with him. Everyone is happy and in evening dress.
They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they’d had, while getting rich at expense of the people. They play a great game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne. Also present is the devil, who’s really a very friendly guy, who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They’re all having such a good time that, before he realizes, it is time for him to go.
Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator closes. The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven, where St. Peter is waiting for him.
“Now it’s time for you to visit heaven.” So, 24 hours pass, with John Howard joining a group of contented souls, moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp, and before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by, and St. Peter returns.
“Well, you have spent a day in hell and a day in heaven. Now choose for eternity.”
John Howard reflects for a minute, then answers: “Well, I never would have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I’d be better off in hell.”
So, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.
Now the doors of the elevator open, and he finds he’s in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and debris. He sees all of his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash, and putting it in bags. The Devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder.
“I don’t understand,” stammers John Howard. “Yesterday there was a golf course and a club, we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, danced, and had a great time. Now there’s nothing but a wasteland full of garbage, and my friends look miserable. What happened??” The Devil looks at him, smiles and says, “YESTERDAY WE WERE CAMPAIGNING; TODAY YOU VOTED….
Is that all one post???
Regarding the banning of the internet - I don’t think that is likely to happen as it is an invaluable source of intell for repressive culture of secrecy type-systems on all of the very interesting people who publish and post on it.
I can foresee a time where it could be banned but with the types of people who utilize the net, there’s really no stopping it, I think alternate network[s] could be established instead.
I cannot believe some of the things said in that posting. There are just always going to be people who need to vent and religion/or none, is just one outlet for them.
I find it really tragic that what is essentially about love and unity, the world over, can be used to such hateful purposes - I can’t help but feel a bit like Arthur Dent and Ford Prefix when I observe this type of carrying on, I cannot help but think that they’re all just missing the point.
ifesaoyepsi inoi.