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	<title>Comments on: Creative Commies</title>
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		<title>By: Gatonegro</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/01/08/creative-commies/comment-page-1/#comment-9836</link>
		<dc:creator>Gatonegro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I do think that all this `copyleft&#039; (and the only CC license I find interesting is the By-SA, with a certain flexibility for NC in between under special circumstances) -- all this `copyleft&#039; thing, I say, is quite commie, yes.

Not that I mind, because I think that I can describe myself as a commie too.

What oh so many people seem to forget is that communism is not necessarily authoritative. There is something called &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_communism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Libertarian Communism&lt;/a&gt;, where instead of &lt;em&gt;forcing&lt;/em&gt; people to share and cooperate, they are encouraged and persuaded.

I believe this is what the Copyleft / Free Culture (or whatever) movement does, essentially. It does defend one of the essential communist mottos -- &lt;em&gt;from everyone according to their ability, to everyone according to their need&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I do think that all this `copyleft&#8217; (and the only CC license I find interesting is the By-SA, with a certain flexibility for NC in between under special circumstances) &#8212; all this `copyleft&#8217; thing, I say, is quite commie, yes.</p>
<p>Not that I mind, because I think that I can describe myself as a commie too.</p>
<p>What oh so many people seem to forget is that communism is not necessarily authoritative. There is something called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_communism" rel="nofollow">Libertarian Communism</a>, where instead of <em>forcing</em> people to share and cooperate, they are encouraged and persuaded.</p>
<p>I believe this is what the Copyleft / Free Culture (or whatever) movement does, essentially. It does defend one of the essential communist mottos &#8212; <em>from everyone according to their ability, to everyone according to their need</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Arnold</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/01/08/creative-commies/comment-page-1/#comment-7802</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Creative commies&lt;/strong&gt;
Like many others I was both outraged and amused at Bill Gates&#039; absurd comments about open source and communists. I&#039;ve now updated my blog template to change the Creative Commons link to use one of Robert Carr&#039;s nice buttons. Pass it on.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Creative commies</strong><br />
Like many others I was both outraged and amused at Bill Gates&#8217; absurd comments about open source and communists. I&#8217;ve now updated my blog template to change the Creative Commons link to use one of Robert Carr&#8217;s nice buttons. Pass it on&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/01/08/creative-commies/comment-page-1/#comment-7775</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks guys.

(Btw, I linked to Ian&#039;s work, which I assumed would be enough to show that I&#039;d pinched the idea from him. But it&#039;s nice to know he doesn&#039;t mind, anyway.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys.</p>
<p>(Btw, I linked to Ian&#8217;s work, which I assumed would be enough to show that I&#8217;d pinched the idea from him. But it&#8217;s nice to know he doesn&#8217;t mind, anyway.)</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/01/08/creative-commies/comment-page-1/#comment-7774</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting this up on my site now: nice one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting this up on my site now: nice one.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/01/08/creative-commies/comment-page-1/#comment-7771</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice buttons. I like the copyleft symbol better though, it&#039;s easier to understand.
Oh, and Adam, you should buy a Mac. Or somehow convince Microsoft to make good products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice buttons. I like the copyleft symbol better though, it&#8217;s easier to understand.<br />
Oh, and Adam, you should buy a Mac. Or somehow convince Microsoft to make good products.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/01/08/creative-commies/comment-page-1/#comment-7770</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fwiw, i put one up on my page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fwiw, i put one up on my page.</p>
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		<title>By: ian meyer</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/01/08/creative-commies/comment-page-1/#comment-7768</link>
		<dc:creator>ian meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I see the designer of the stickers hasn&#039;t been given credit for his or her work...&lt;/i&gt;

well that person is me. and you know what, i dont care. i know that it was based on my work. i dont sell my desktops (linked to from my copyleft page), i dont do anything but share them.

if someone wants to take what i have done and make it cooler/better/neater/more sellable (like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://giantrobotprinting.com/commies/&quot;&gt;t-shirts&lt;/a&gt; then all the more power to them. the shirt guy has sold several hundred of them, probably made a few hundred bucks. do i really care? no. i didn&#039;t have the initiative to make shirts, so i don&#039;t deserve a cut of that money

some people like me just don&#039;t care if people use our work.

now i&#039;m sure if i was making something that i was selling or something more valuable, i&#039;d be a little more protective, but still believe in creative commons over traditional copyright

and as for you adam:
&lt;i&gt;And no I will not use a Mac or any operating system created by a 16-year-old in his parent&#039;s basement.&lt;/i&gt;

why not use a mac? because you&#039;ve got some long-standing hatred of a company willing to do something different? because you&#039;re disillusioned about what will and will not run on it?

how about that 16 year old? why not use something he&#039;s made. for that matter, i don&#039;t think linux was 16 or in a basement when he wrote the first version of the linux kernel, and the people i know personally who manage open source projects and contribute to them are not 16 not living in basements, in fact, most of them have families and jobs that pay them to do what they love.

sounds like you&#039;ve been reading too much slashdot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I see the designer of the stickers hasn&#8217;t been given credit for his or her work&#8230;</i></p>
<p>well that person is me. and you know what, i dont care. i know that it was based on my work. i dont sell my desktops (linked to from my copyleft page), i dont do anything but share them.</p>
<p>if someone wants to take what i have done and make it cooler/better/neater/more sellable (like the <a href="http://giantrobotprinting.com/commies/">t-shirts</a> then all the more power to them. the shirt guy has sold several hundred of them, probably made a few hundred bucks. do i really care? no. i didn&#8217;t have the initiative to make shirts, so i don&#8217;t deserve a cut of that money</p>
<p>some people like me just don&#8217;t care if people use our work.</p>
<p>now i&#8217;m sure if i was making something that i was selling or something more valuable, i&#8217;d be a little more protective, but still believe in creative commons over traditional copyright</p>
<p>and as for you adam:<br />
<i>And no I will not use a Mac or any operating system created by a 16-year-old in his parent&#8217;s basement.</i></p>
<p>why not use a mac? because you&#8217;ve got some long-standing hatred of a company willing to do something different? because you&#8217;re disillusioned about what will and will not run on it?</p>
<p>how about that 16 year old? why not use something he&#8217;s made. for that matter, i don&#8217;t think linux was 16 or in a basement when he wrote the first version of the linux kernel, and the people i know personally who manage open source projects and contribute to them are not 16 not living in basements, in fact, most of them have families and jobs that pay them to do what they love.</p>
<p>sounds like you&#8217;ve been reading too much slashdot</p>
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		<title>By: Callum</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/01/08/creative-commies/comment-page-1/#comment-7767</link>
		<dc:creator>Callum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Boing Boing</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/01/08/creative-commies/comment-page-1/#comment-7765</link>
		<dc:creator>Boing Boing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Creative Commies: more art than you can shake a sickle at&lt;/strong&gt;
 Following up on previous Boing Boing posts (1, 2 3, 4) about remarks by Bill Gates comparing free culture advocates to commies -- a number of readers picked up the meme and riffed on their own. Here are a few of the many &quot;creative commonist&quot; propaga...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Creative Commies: more art than you can shake a sickle at</strong><br />
 Following up on previous Boing Boing posts (1, 2 3, 4) about remarks by Bill Gates comparing free culture advocates to commies &#8212; a number of readers picked up the meme and riffed on their own. Here are a few of the many &#8220;creative commonist&#8221; propaga&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adam 1.0</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/01/08/creative-commies/comment-page-1/#comment-7745</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam 1.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my computer stops randomly crashing with IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL to messages then I&#039;ll give him some support.

And no I will not use a Mac or any operating system created by a 16-year-old in his parent&#039;s basement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my computer stops randomly crashing with IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL to messages then I&#8217;ll give him some support.</p>
<p>And no I will not use a Mac or any operating system created by a 16-year-old in his parent&#8217;s basement.</p>
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