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		<title>By: Bruce D'Arcus</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/04/28/endnote/comment-page-1/#comment-10850</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce D'Arcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Itâ€™s obviously a lot better than doing it manually, but I just find the database and user interface very clunky, especially in data entry but also display. There are a couple of major sticking points with the reference output, too, because our College of Law style guide is a bit peculiar. Perhaps because Iâ€™m used to blog templates, Iâ€™m getting frustrated by the lack of flexibility in coding the output styles.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As a former Endnote user, I agree.

I&#039;m now the co-project lead for the OpenOffice bibliographic project, as well as author of this citation style language I&#039;d like to incorporate into our project:

http://xbiblio.sourceforge.net/csl.html

If you want to contribute to open alternatives, let me know if the style language supports your needs.  I&#039;m quite aware law is one of the more tricky areas, but think I&#039;ve covered most of what you&#039;d likely need.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Itâ€™s obviously a lot better than doing it manually, but I just find the database and user interface very clunky, especially in data entry but also display. There are a couple of major sticking points with the reference output, too, because our College of Law style guide is a bit peculiar. Perhaps because Iâ€™m used to blog templates, Iâ€™m getting frustrated by the lack of flexibility in coding the output styles.</p></blockquote>
<p>As a former Endnote user, I agree.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now the co-project lead for the OpenOffice bibliographic project, as well as author of this citation style language I&#8217;d like to incorporate into our project:</p>
<p><a href="http://xbiblio.sourceforge.net/csl.html" rel="nofollow">http://xbiblio.sourceforge.net/csl.html</a></p>
<p>If you want to contribute to open alternatives, let me know if the style language supports your needs.  I&#8217;m quite aware law is one of the more tricky areas, but think I&#8217;ve covered most of what you&#8217;d likely need.</p>
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		<title>By: Amir Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/04/28/endnote/comment-page-1/#comment-9335</link>
		<dc:creator>Amir Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 13:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After years of struggling with Endnote, I switched to Jabref and haven&#039;t looked back:
http://jabref.sourceforge.net/

Amir
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After years of struggling with Endnote, I switched to Jabref and haven&#8217;t looked back:<br />
<a href="http://jabref.sourceforge.net/" rel="nofollow">http://jabref.sourceforge.net/</a></p>
<p>Amir</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/04/28/endnote/comment-page-1/#comment-9320</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2005 06:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
For Mac OS, I recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sonnysoftware.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bookends&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Mac OS, I recommend <a href="http://www.sonnysoftware.com" rel="nofollow">Bookends</a></p>
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		<title>By: flute</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/04/28/endnote/comment-page-1/#comment-9310</link>
		<dc:creator>flute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 07:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>End note is a cunting twat of a bastard.  However once you get used to it you&#039;ll never leave it.  Particularly useful for importing references from online libraries and journals.  Take your propeller hat off Rob and go with the flow man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>End note is a cunting twat of a bastard.  However once you get used to it you&#8217;ll never leave it.  Particularly useful for importing references from online libraries and journals.  Take your propeller hat off Rob and go with the flow man.</p>
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		<title>By: Manas</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/04/28/endnote/comment-page-1/#comment-9299</link>
		<dc:creator>Manas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that Melb Uni recommends it, because our style guide is based on Melb Law School&#039;s AGLC, which is the one that won&#039;t work in endnote.

It does seem much more geared to science type degrees, as there are an awful lot of science referencing styles in the program.

But given how advanced word processing and data retrieval have become, and how easy, just for example, blogging interfaces are to use, it does seem ludicrous that there&#039;s not some way that you can just plug in details about the indiosyncratic formatting you require, and it will just magically output the information in the manner you wish. Like, surely it&#039;s not that hard?

...Says the person who&#039;s waiting for her techie boyfriend to work out the problem so that I&#039;m not wasting valuable research time trying to  format references in a database, and who still hasn&#039;t worked out how to make blog uploads work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that Melb Uni recommends it, because our style guide is based on Melb Law School&#8217;s AGLC, which is the one that won&#8217;t work in endnote.</p>
<p>It does seem much more geared to science type degrees, as there are an awful lot of science referencing styles in the program.</p>
<p>But given how advanced word processing and data retrieval have become, and how easy, just for example, blogging interfaces are to use, it does seem ludicrous that there&#8217;s not some way that you can just plug in details about the indiosyncratic formatting you require, and it will just magically output the information in the manner you wish. Like, surely it&#8217;s not that hard?</p>
<p>&#8230;Says the person who&#8217;s waiting for her techie boyfriend to work out the problem so that I&#8217;m not wasting valuable research time trying to  format references in a database, and who still hasn&#8217;t worked out how to make blog uploads work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/04/28/endnote/comment-page-1/#comment-9285</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 01:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Guido. I note that UniMelb doesn&#039;t recommend using EndNote 8 if you can get version 7 instead. Perhaps that&#039;s partly the problem, though a previous effort a couple of years ago led to similar frustration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Guido. I note that UniMelb doesn&#8217;t recommend using EndNote 8 if you can get version 7 instead. Perhaps that&#8217;s partly the problem, though a previous effort a couple of years ago led to similar frustration.</p>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/04/28/endnote/comment-page-1/#comment-9284</link>
		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When students come at the referrence desk at Melbourne Uni we point them to this site:

http://www.lib.unimelb.edu.au/endnote/index.html

I hope it works outside the uni...I&#039;m not sure.  This site was created by the librarian responsible  for Endnote here.

It might help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When students come at the referrence desk at Melbourne Uni we point them to this site:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lib.unimelb.edu.au/endnote/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lib.unimelb.edu.au/endnote/index.html</a></p>
<p>I hope it works outside the uni&#8230;I&#8217;m not sure.  This site was created by the librarian responsible  for Endnote here.</p>
<p>It might help.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukin</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/04/28/endnote/comment-page-1/#comment-9283</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have also mentioned the Windows version of LyX is at:
http://www.home.zonnet.nl/rareitsma/lyx/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have also mentioned the Windows version of LyX is at:<br />
<a href="http://www.home.zonnet.nl/rareitsma/lyx/" rel="nofollow">http://www.home.zonnet.nl/rareitsma/lyx/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lukin</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/04/28/endnote/comment-page-1/#comment-9282</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can recommend the LaTeX/BibTeX combo. I don&#039;t know myself, but surely BibTeX could be used in conjuntion with MS Word? At any rate, you would have no regrets about using LaTeX, and the learning curve isn&#039;t that big, especially if you use LyX (www.lyx.org). LyX is a free graphical LaTeX editor, definitely worth checking out. 

Good luck. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can recommend the LaTeX/BibTeX combo. I don&#8217;t know myself, but surely BibTeX could be used in conjuntion with MS Word? At any rate, you would have no regrets about using LaTeX, and the learning curve isn&#8217;t that big, especially if you use LyX (www.lyx.org). LyX is a free graphical LaTeX editor, definitely worth checking out. </p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: liam hogan</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/04/28/endnote/comment-page-1/#comment-9279</link>
		<dc:creator>liam hogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, Ian. The difference between using a referencing database and doing the footnotes-the-hard way is the difference between pedalling your pushie uphill and getting the bus driver to take you there.
With an application like Endnote you can store all of the relevant information and then [cut]+[paste] it into your word processor of choice, in fields which will update themselves to reflect all of the other fields preceding them. So, all of your &lt;i&gt;Op cit(s), Ibid(s),&lt;/i&gt; and so on will reconfigure themselves! 
You can probably get yourself a student copy of Endnote if you&#039;re in an Honours stream or above, or if you&#039;ve got a friend in the Faculty IT department. Ian: learn how to do it properly. It&#039;s knowledge that&#039;ll do you proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, Ian. The difference between using a referencing database and doing the footnotes-the-hard way is the difference between pedalling your pushie uphill and getting the bus driver to take you there.<br />
With an application like Endnote you can store all of the relevant information and then [cut]+[paste] it into your word processor of choice, in fields which will update themselves to reflect all of the other fields preceding them. So, all of your <i>Op cit(s), Ibid(s),</i> and so on will reconfigure themselves!<br />
You can probably get yourself a student copy of Endnote if you&#8217;re in an Honours stream or above, or if you&#8217;ve got a friend in the Faculty IT department. Ian: learn how to do it properly. It&#8217;s knowledge that&#8217;ll do you proud.</p>
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