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		<title>By: Paul Watson</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/09/15/deakin-mcconvill-fraser/comment-page-1/#comment-10485</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 03:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œI was wondering whether anyone can shed any further light on Fraserâ€™s plans to sue, such as whether he will have a case or not. Perhaps Paul Watson can shed some light on this one and also discrimination legislation.â€?

Simon,

As far as the anti-vilification legislation goes, the Australianâ€™s publication of (an edited version of) Fraserâ€™s â€œWhite Australiaâ€? article may yet provide an interesting test case on the limits of the â€œgenuine academic, artistic or scientific purpose or any other genuine purpose in the public interestâ€? exception (to what would otherwise be racial vilification).

However, I think that such an action, at least by the forces prompting the pulling of the article from the Deakin LR, is unlikely.  In turn, this does raise issues of apparent inconsistency, aka selective prosecution, but these run long and deep within the media law area.  For example, a few years ago, the editors of a university student newspaper â€œRabelaisâ€? faced criminal charges (including possible jail) for publishing an article called â€œThe Art of Shopliftingâ€?.  Their prosecution wasnâ€™t totally malicious â€“ the article seemed to have instructed in crime, which was all the offence required (there was no â€œgenuine academic/public interestâ€? exception to be argued) â€“ but it was certainly highly selective:  the article (had) run/ran in other media outlets, including mainstream, high-circulation ones, all without any charges resulting.

Regarding Fraserâ€™s mooted breach of contract argument, here, he is plainly tilting at windmills/symbolism.  Since law journal contributors donâ€™t get paid, there is unlikely to be a contract in the first place, but even if Fraser successfully argued estoppel (which gives damages for a personâ€™s detrimental reliance, even in the absence of a contract), the damages would be token, at most.  Otherwise, Fraser would have to show how his earning power went backwards because of Deakinâ€™s pulling his article â€“ and I donâ€™t see how he could do this, given that he is (i) 60-something http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2005/09/20/racism-and-censorship/#comment-33278 and (ii) (more to the point) he had already self-sabotaged his one-time presumed academic credibility, quite without Deakinâ€™s help.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œI was wondering whether anyone can shed any further light on Fraserâ€™s plans to sue, such as whether he will have a case or not. Perhaps Paul Watson can shed some light on this one and also discrimination legislation.â€?</p>
<p>Simon,</p>
<p>As far as the anti-vilification legislation goes, the Australianâ€™s publication of (an edited version of) Fraserâ€™s â€œWhite Australiaâ€? article may yet provide an interesting test case on the limits of the â€œgenuine academic, artistic or scientific purpose or any other genuine purpose in the public interestâ€? exception (to what would otherwise be racial vilification).</p>
<p>However, I think that such an action, at least by the forces prompting the pulling of the article from the Deakin LR, is unlikely.  In turn, this does raise issues of apparent inconsistency, aka selective prosecution, but these run long and deep within the media law area.  For example, a few years ago, the editors of a university student newspaper â€œRabelaisâ€? faced criminal charges (including possible jail) for publishing an article called â€œThe Art of Shopliftingâ€?.  Their prosecution wasnâ€™t totally malicious â€“ the article seemed to have instructed in crime, which was all the offence required (there was no â€œgenuine academic/public interestâ€? exception to be argued) â€“ but it was certainly highly selective:  the article (had) run/ran in other media outlets, including mainstream, high-circulation ones, all without any charges resulting.</p>
<p>Regarding Fraserâ€™s mooted breach of contract argument, here, he is plainly tilting at windmills/symbolism.  Since law journal contributors donâ€™t get paid, there is unlikely to be a contract in the first place, but even if Fraser successfully argued estoppel (which gives damages for a personâ€™s detrimental reliance, even in the absence of a contract), the damages would be token, at most.  Otherwise, Fraser would have to show how his earning power went backwards because of Deakinâ€™s pulling his article â€“ and I donâ€™t see how he could do this, given that he is (i) 60-something <a href="http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2005/09/20/racism-and-censorship/#comment-33278" rel="nofollow">http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2005/09/20/racism-and-censorship/#comment-33278</a> and (ii) (more to the point) he had already self-sabotaged his one-time presumed academic credibility, quite without Deakinâ€™s help.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/09/15/deakin-mcconvill-fraser/comment-page-1/#comment-10465</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rob- yes I&#039;ve been posting comments on AMREN for sometime, just to get a feel for the sort of people such as Fraser. I have little doubt Fraser would be welcome by AMREN with open arms, as a speaker, writer or otherwise. 

Hopefully someone can shed some light on the contract thing further though. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rob- yes I&#8217;ve been posting comments on AMREN for sometime, just to get a feel for the sort of people such as Fraser. I have little doubt Fraser would be welcome by AMREN with open arms, as a speaker, writer or otherwise. </p>
<p>Hopefully someone can shed some light on the contract thing further though.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, his chance of success would depend on whether a contract existed and what its terms were. Someone with a better understanding of standard practice in this field might be able to shed some light on that.

Of course, it is not possible to contract for something that is illegal. Deakin might therefore argue that the article&#039;s (arguable) breach of the racial vilification laws was enough to make the contract void. It would certainly be an interesting case --- though I imagine Fraser will use it as a racist soapbox and to play martyr for his friends at the American Rennaissance (I heard he intends to do a racist speaking tour of the US).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, his chance of success would depend on whether a contract existed and what its terms were. Someone with a better understanding of standard practice in this field might be able to shed some light on that.</p>
<p>Of course, it is not possible to contract for something that is illegal. Deakin might therefore argue that the article&#8217;s (arguable) breach of the racial vilification laws was enough to make the contract void. It would certainly be an interesting case &#8212; though I imagine Fraser will use it as a racist soapbox and to play martyr for his friends at the American Rennaissance (I heard he intends to do a racist speaking tour of the US).</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting enough over at Amren they posted the following:

&quot;American Renaissance has been informed that Australiaâ€™s racial vilification laws do not apply to statements in academic journals and that Prof. Fraser will attempt to sue Deakin University for breach of contract&quot;.

As usual they cut and paste legislation from the HREOC website which include the exceptions to the law, but neglect to cut and paste how those exceptions can or cannot be made. 

One of the more amusing posts from an Amren person named Ethnocentrist was as follows:
&quot;Dear Professor Walker,

Regarding your decision not to publish Professor Fraserâ€™s article in the Law Review. A perfect example of where policy and ideology trump facts and truth. Thank you for helping to usher in another &quot;Dark Ages&quot;, professor. You should feel quite proud of your accomplishment. Hiding behind threats of suit by a Sudanese lawyer (which is founded solely out of ethnic, self preservational, tribal interests) and previous legislated, unfounded &quot;Acts&quot; is cowardly; as you must be well aware though gladly embrace. The world IS watching you and you have failed to meet the standards of what a chancellor should be. Galileo was also muzzled and vilified in his day for speaking &quot;heresy&quot;. People will forever remember Galileo, however no one remembers the oppressors. Good day, professor&quot;

I was wondering whether anyone can shed any further light on Fraser&#039;s plans to sue, such as whether he will have a case or not. Perhaps Paul Watson can shed some light on this one and also discrimination legislation. 

To Rob- thank you for your summary!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting enough over at Amren they posted the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;American Renaissance has been informed that Australiaâ€™s racial vilification laws do not apply to statements in academic journals and that Prof. Fraser will attempt to sue Deakin University for breach of contract&#8221;.</p>
<p>As usual they cut and paste legislation from the HREOC website which include the exceptions to the law, but neglect to cut and paste how those exceptions can or cannot be made. </p>
<p>One of the more amusing posts from an Amren person named Ethnocentrist was as follows:<br />
&#8220;Dear Professor Walker,</p>
<p>Regarding your decision not to publish Professor Fraserâ€™s article in the Law Review. A perfect example of where policy and ideology trump facts and truth. Thank you for helping to usher in another &#8220;Dark Ages&#8221;, professor. You should feel quite proud of your accomplishment. Hiding behind threats of suit by a Sudanese lawyer (which is founded solely out of ethnic, self preservational, tribal interests) and previous legislated, unfounded &#8220;Acts&#8221; is cowardly; as you must be well aware though gladly embrace. The world IS watching you and you have failed to meet the standards of what a chancellor should be. Galileo was also muzzled and vilified in his day for speaking &#8220;heresy&#8221;. People will forever remember Galileo, however no one remembers the oppressors. Good day, professor&#8221;</p>
<p>I was wondering whether anyone can shed any further light on Fraser&#8217;s plans to sue, such as whether he will have a case or not. Perhaps Paul Watson can shed some light on this one and also discrimination legislation. </p>
<p>To Rob- thank you for your summary!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bahnisch</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/09/15/deakin-mcconvill-fraser/comment-page-1/#comment-10458</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The V-C of Deakin has taken legal advice and directed that the article not be published. Commentary &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.redrag.net/2005/09/20/deakin-law-review-mcconvill-and-fraser/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The V-C of Deakin has taken legal advice and directed that the article not be published. Commentary <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.redrag.net/2005/09/20/deakin-law-review-mcconvill-and-fraser/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 08:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nic: In this case the ends (refusing to give a racist movement a seemingly academic pretext for their repugnant beliefs) and the means (maintaining proper refereeing standards for all contributors to the review) are both worth pursuing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nic: In this case the ends (refusing to give a racist movement a seemingly academic pretext for their repugnant beliefs) and the means (maintaining proper refereeing standards for all contributors to the review) are both worth pursuing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 08:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;unless of course you believe the â€œend justifies the meansâ€?. &quot; is an implied question, regardless of the lack of question mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;unless of course you believe the â€œend justifies the meansâ€?. &#8221; is an implied question, regardless of the lack of question mark.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 03:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vee didn&#039;t ask a question, Nic.

I thought you intended to make a living through your use of the English language? Thank goodness for Centrelink, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vee didn&#8217;t ask a question, Nic.</p>
<p>I thought you intended to make a living through your use of the English language? Thank goodness for Centrelink, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Nic White</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/09/15/deakin-mcconvill-fraser/comment-page-1/#comment-10434</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Vee&#039;s question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Vee&#8217;s question.</p>
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