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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/05/voting/comment-page-1/#comment-10651</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it might be worth pointing out that the last three comments, all posted within six minutes of each other, came from the same IP address. It might be that they are all &quot;sock puppets&quot; of one person, it might not. I report, you decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it might be worth pointing out that the last three comments, all posted within six minutes of each other, came from the same IP address. It might be that they are all &#8220;sock puppets&#8221; of one person, it might not. I report, you decide.</p>
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		<title>By: monica</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/05/voting/comment-page-1/#comment-10648</link>
		<dc:creator>monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From all of us at Busy-Bee-Business i&#039;d just lik 2 say that we support voluntary voting not because we&#039; r busy but because its just business. Yep the government i just looking for more votes, more controversal topics to argue about i parliament. Just let the people decide is all i have to say about the matter.
Queen Bee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From all of us at Busy-Bee-Business i&#8217;d just lik 2 say that we support voluntary voting not because we&#8217; r busy but because its just business. Yep the government i just looking for more votes, more controversal topics to argue about i parliament. Just let the people decide is all i have to say about the matter.<br />
Queen Bee</p>
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		<title>By: frankie</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/05/voting/comment-page-1/#comment-10647</link>
		<dc:creator>frankie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money business! Voting is voting lets just get that right. I believe that it is our duty to vote, but i also believe that voting should only apply 2 those who want to vote. but hey i&#039;m just an everyday australian voice&#039;n my opinion, i&#039;m not really important!
Well if ur reading this u know x-actly how i feel
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money business! Voting is voting lets just get that right. I believe that it is our duty to vote, but i also believe that voting should only apply 2 those who want to vote. but hey i&#8217;m just an everyday australian voice&#8217;n my opinion, i&#8217;m not really important!<br />
Well if ur reading this u know x-actly how i feel</p>
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		<title>By: jada</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/05/voting/comment-page-1/#comment-10646</link>
		<dc:creator>jada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m all 4 voluntary voting, but perhaps we shld call it optional voting. I&#039;m not a politically motivated person but i think that if i had the option i would vote. Politicians are so concerned that they will loose votes, ha dont they know that at the rate they&#039;re going they&#039;ve already lost mine.
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m all 4 voluntary voting, but perhaps we shld call it optional voting. I&#8217;m not a politically motivated person but i think that if i had the option i would vote. Politicians are so concerned that they will loose votes, ha dont they know that at the rate they&#8217;re going they&#8217;ve already lost mine.<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/05/voting/comment-page-1/#comment-10640</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Christian-bashing? All the post has done is suggest that one of the reasons the Howard Government might push for voluntary voting is because it would benefit the Religious Right, who tend to preference the Coalition parties.

And yes, I find their politics odious, but that&#039;s not because they&#039;re Christian. It&#039;s because their politics is odious.

You&#039;re a fool who&#039;s jumping at shadows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Christian-bashing? All the post has done is suggest that one of the reasons the Howard Government might push for voluntary voting is because it would benefit the Religious Right, who tend to preference the Coalition parties.</p>
<p>And yes, I find their politics odious, but that&#8217;s not because they&#8217;re Christian. It&#8217;s because their politics is odious.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a fool who&#8217;s jumping at shadows.</p>
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		<title>By: Wombat</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/05/voting/comment-page-1/#comment-10639</link>
		<dc:creator>Wombat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always suspicious of Christian bashing, mainly because i hear so much of it, it&#039;s like how you can only hear johnny howard squirm with his rhetoric so many times before you work out he&#039;s just pushing his own pathetic barrow in a pathetic way.  So firstly, where&#039;s the stats to back up this claim.  And no, vagueness about it will aid the religious right but not explaining how ain&#039;t backing up.  In fact all the post does is say there&#039;s an advantage out there to be exploited by all groups who desire because voluntary voting would change how political groups spend their money, meaning all groups would exploit it, not just the &#039;religious right.&#039;  But no, hmm as usual it&#039;s attractive to bash the Christians.  Why i&#039;ll never work that out.  Must be such a sad life slagging without evidence and losing credibility and speaking stuff you know ain&#039;t true.  Well people&#039;s choices really-and not work choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always suspicious of Christian bashing, mainly because i hear so much of it, it&#8217;s like how you can only hear johnny howard squirm with his rhetoric so many times before you work out he&#8217;s just pushing his own pathetic barrow in a pathetic way.  So firstly, where&#8217;s the stats to back up this claim.  And no, vagueness about it will aid the religious right but not explaining how ain&#8217;t backing up.  In fact all the post does is say there&#8217;s an advantage out there to be exploited by all groups who desire because voluntary voting would change how political groups spend their money, meaning all groups would exploit it, not just the &#8216;religious right.&#8217;  But no, hmm as usual it&#8217;s attractive to bash the Christians.  Why i&#8217;ll never work that out.  Must be such a sad life slagging without evidence and losing credibility and speaking stuff you know ain&#8217;t true.  Well people&#8217;s choices really-and not work choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Minotaur</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/05/voting/comment-page-1/#comment-10635</link>
		<dc:creator>Minotaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 02:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t necessarily get fined, either - all you are obligated to do is turn up and have your name crossed off at the polling booth. Anyone who&#039;s scrutineered before will tell you that the average ballot box will contain plenty of ballots that are blank.

Personally, it depresses me when people throw away their vote, especially when it&#039;s done for some futile reason (mate, numbering no boxes and scrawling `NO WAR IN IRAQ&#039; on the ballot for your local council elections is not going to end the war in Iraq), but ultimately, the Australian system as it stands seems fairest as it means everyone has equal access to voting, something that is not the case in say, the US and UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t necessarily get fined, either &#8211; all you are obligated to do is turn up and have your name crossed off at the polling booth. Anyone who&#8217;s scrutineered before will tell you that the average ballot box will contain plenty of ballots that are blank.</p>
<p>Personally, it depresses me when people throw away their vote, especially when it&#8217;s done for some futile reason (mate, numbering no boxes and scrawling `NO WAR IN IRAQ&#8217; on the ballot for your local council elections is not going to end the war in Iraq), but ultimately, the Australian system as it stands seems fairest as it means everyone has equal access to voting, something that is not the case in say, the US and UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alternatively, you couls realise that voting is not a right but a responsibility, and if you don;t want the responsibilities of being a citizen of Australia, well....one hates to sound like Brendan Nelson, but you can piss off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alternatively, you couls realise that voting is not a right but a responsibility, and if you don;t want the responsibilities of being a citizen of Australia, well&#8230;.one hates to sound like Brendan Nelson, but you can piss off.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Rob.

The fact is, you can choose not to vote in this country. You&#039;ll just be fined for the privilege! Or, you can do an informal vote. Either way, you have a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Rob.</p>
<p>The fact is, you can choose not to vote in this country. You&#8217;ll just be fined for the privilege! Or, you can do an informal vote. Either way, you have a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr G. H. Schorel-Hlavka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr G. H. Schorel-Hlavka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before someone write some blog about something could at least the person do some sensible thinking?

Here we have a person making known not bothered by the inconvenient of voting, rather then to address the issue that it is â€œembeddedâ€? in the Constitution that one does not have to enroll/vote! Just that this is being ignored by the High Court of Australia and others for too long.

For the record, I refused to vote in 2001 and the litigation is still ongoing about it. I refused to vote in 2004 and this too is before the Courts. 
My constitutional right is not having to vote, and it simply has got nothing to do with inconvenience!
As a matter of fact each time I was standing as a candidate. Why should I have to vote for opponents?
What ought to be considered is also is that if unions were to use the same system in electing their officials then the political parties would be quick to complain. Let see if a candidate for a union were to have to get 50 nominations before being able to stand as a candidate! You see, Howard and his cronies, and so the ALP are ongoing about what is bad about unions but if we take an example how they cook the books, so to say, then unions can still learn a lesson or two in that regard.

If a union official was to misuse and abuse union members funds for perks as the politicians are doing then likely the government would pursue legal action against them. Political parties are unions also, so why not the same against them?

As author of INSPECTOR-RIKATIÂ® books on certain constitutional and other legal issues, I probably have a better perception then most if not anyone else about voting. If you think I brag, then just read up what I write about.
Perhaps, we might make progress if we were to appoint judges to the High Court of Australia who are competent in constitutional provisions, not those who still donâ€™t know what it is about.
I could device a test for any lawyer/judge  in certain constitutional issues, that anyone of them will fail! Simply, they do not comprehend what constitutionally is applicable and a clear example is the nonsense about â€œcitizenshipâ€? where they are really meaning â€œnationalityâ€?, but the judges do not even understand that constitutionally â€œcitizenshipâ€? has got nothing to do with nationality, as citizenship is a State legislative power and naturalization is a Commonwealth legislative power and neither a State of a Federal Parliament has the powers to interfere with a natural born Australian!
The right to vote is born by being a State citizen, and this is what is being overlooked, in fact the States failed to make any legislation for this!







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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before someone write some blog about something could at least the person do some sensible thinking?</p>
<p>Here we have a person making known not bothered by the inconvenient of voting, rather then to address the issue that it is â€œembeddedâ€? in the Constitution that one does not have to enroll/vote! Just that this is being ignored by the High Court of Australia and others for too long.</p>
<p>For the record, I refused to vote in 2001 and the litigation is still ongoing about it. I refused to vote in 2004 and this too is before the Courts.<br />
My constitutional right is not having to vote, and it simply has got nothing to do with inconvenience!<br />
As a matter of fact each time I was standing as a candidate. Why should I have to vote for opponents?<br />
What ought to be considered is also is that if unions were to use the same system in electing their officials then the political parties would be quick to complain. Let see if a candidate for a union were to have to get 50 nominations before being able to stand as a candidate! You see, Howard and his cronies, and so the ALP are ongoing about what is bad about unions but if we take an example how they cook the books, so to say, then unions can still learn a lesson or two in that regard.</p>
<p>If a union official was to misuse and abuse union members funds for perks as the politicians are doing then likely the government would pursue legal action against them. Political parties are unions also, so why not the same against them?</p>
<p>As author of INSPECTOR-RIKATIÂ® books on certain constitutional and other legal issues, I probably have a better perception then most if not anyone else about voting. If you think I brag, then just read up what I write about.<br />
Perhaps, we might make progress if we were to appoint judges to the High Court of Australia who are competent in constitutional provisions, not those who still donâ€™t know what it is about.<br />
I could device a test for any lawyer/judge  in certain constitutional issues, that anyone of them will fail! Simply, they do not comprehend what constitutionally is applicable and a clear example is the nonsense about â€œcitizenshipâ€? where they are really meaning â€œnationalityâ€?, but the judges do not even understand that constitutionally â€œcitizenshipâ€? has got nothing to do with nationality, as citizenship is a State legislative power and naturalization is a Commonwealth legislative power and neither a State of a Federal Parliament has the powers to interfere with a natural born Australian!<br />
The right to vote is born by being a State citizen, and this is what is being overlooked, in fact the States failed to make any legislation for this!</p>
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