Comments on: Technophobes http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/workchoices-booklet/ "The thinking Laborite would as lief be found in bed with a cobra as in a committee room armed with 'arguments' from the Tory press." --- Truth, Perth, 19 June 1915. Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:29:18 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: gjw http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/workchoices-booklet/comment-page-1/#comment-10624 gjw Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:26:48 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/technophobes/#comment-10624 <a href="http://www.tamesapien.com/weblog/archives/2005/10/11/good-choice/" rel="nofollow">Workchoices</a>. Workchoices.

]]> By: anthony http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/workchoices-booklet/comment-page-1/#comment-10623 anthony Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:38:01 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/technophobes/#comment-10623 Actually, serious question, is there a missing third choice of 1)Accept AWA or 2)Keep award conditions which combines with 3) look for work elsewhere. Actually, serious question, is there a missing third choice of

1)Accept AWA
or
2)Keep award conditions
which combines with 3) look for work elsewhere.

]]> By: anthony http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/workchoices-booklet/comment-page-1/#comment-10622 anthony Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:29:00 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/technophobes/#comment-10622 Is that Workchoices 19 or 18 68? Is that Workchoices 19 or 18 68?

]]> By: Belisarius http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/workchoices-booklet/comment-page-1/#comment-10621 Belisarius Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:08:57 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/technophobes/#comment-10621 As I understand it from people who have rung the Hotline, it is essentially a clearing house where you can either order the 15 page booklet or they try and refer you to the Department or the Office of the Employment Advocate. The person I know contacted the Hotline today and the person answering the phone was in Hobart. They were not able to answer a question about what happens to a workforce under a transmission of business scenario. As I understand it from people who have rung the Hotline, it is essentially a clearing house where you can either order the 15 page booklet or they try and refer you to the Department or the Office of the Employment Advocate. The person I know contacted the Hotline today and the person answering the phone was in Hobart. They were not able to answer a question about what happens to a workforce under a transmission of business scenario.

]]> By: Stuart Fenech http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/workchoices-booklet/comment-page-1/#comment-10620 Stuart Fenech Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:05:46 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/technophobes/#comment-10620 Say... has anyone considered ringing up and presenting situations - in the context of them happening to you - which show serious flaws in the legislation? If we ahhh, if we manage to convince the people manning the phones that the legislation is horrific...? :P Say… has anyone considered ringing up and presenting situations – in the context of them happening to you – which show serious flaws in the legislation? If we ahhh, if we manage to convince the people manning the phones that the legislation is horrific…? :P

]]> By: Robert http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/workchoices-booklet/comment-page-1/#comment-10619 Robert Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:47:38 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/technophobes/#comment-10619 There's two booklets. The one now linked to in the post is the <a href="https://www.workchoices.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/C80251CC-14D6-4977-A824-26F1140EF30C/0/A_NewWorkplace_Relations_System.pdf" rel="nofollow">68-page document</a> that the business community, and later the press, was given. The one in the comments is the <a href="https://www.workchoices.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/8E88AC47-75EB-4727-A265-5DD4CE9073D2/0/WorkChoices_Booklet_1mb.pdf" rel="nofollow">15-page document</a> that the general public gets to see. Crikey reports that the poor sods answering the phones on the WorkChoices hotline only have the short booklet, which raises serious concerns about the quality of the information you'll get if you ring up with a question. There’s two booklets. The one now linked to in the post is the 68-page document that the business community, and later the press, was given. The one in the comments is the 15-page document that the general public gets to see. Crikey reports that the poor sods answering the phones on the WorkChoices hotline only have the short booklet, which raises serious concerns about the quality of the information you’ll get if you ring up with a question.

]]> By: Vee http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/workchoices-booklet/comment-page-1/#comment-10618 Vee Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:43:20 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/technophobes/#comment-10618 The booklet is the one in the comments I take it. The latter one. If so I've skim speed read it and 99.9% of it says nothing changes. The other 0.1% says it'll change the bargaining power in all agreements. So you can either false conclude from the 99.9% why change the laws at all or everything will be okay. Or you can see the obvious - that bargaining shifts heavily to the employer but its only briefly mentioned. The booklet is the one in the comments I take it. The latter one.

If so I’ve skim speed read it and 99.9% of it says nothing changes.

The other 0.1% says it’ll change the bargaining power in all agreements.

So you can either false conclude from the 99.9% why change the laws at all or everything will be okay.

Or you can see the obvious – that bargaining shifts heavily to the employer but its only briefly mentioned.

]]> By: Robert http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/workchoices-booklet/comment-page-1/#comment-10617 Robert Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:34:32 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/technophobes/#comment-10617 Sorry, Vee, what are you asking? Sorry, Vee, what are you asking?

]]> By: Vee http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/workchoices-booklet/comment-page-1/#comment-10616 Vee Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:24:40 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/technophobes/#comment-10616 so which one is it? the former or the latter? so which one is it? the former or the latter?

]]> By: dj http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/workchoices-booklet/comment-page-1/#comment-10615 dj Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:18:09 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/10/12/technophobes/#comment-10615 I hadn't realised that I'd moved to South America overnight. I hadn’t realised that I’d moved to South America overnight.

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