Comments on: Industrial relations campaign update http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/ "The thinking Laborite would as lief be found in bed with a cobra as in a committee room armed with 'arguments' from the Tory press." --- Truth, Perth, 19 June 1915. Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:29:18 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Robert http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/comment-page-1/#comment-10859 Robert Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:28:36 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/#comment-10859 Someone explained that the police do their crowd estimate by counting people as they march past a certain point. It's crude maths --- fifteen people in a row, 1000 rows of people walked past, therefore roughly 15 000 marched. But as others have pointed out, it was a scorching day in Perth and a lot of people left before the march began, so the police numbers are definitely a significant underestimate. Someone explained that the police do their crowd estimate by counting people as they march past a certain point. It’s crude maths — fifteen people in a row, 1000 rows of people walked past, therefore roughly 15 000 marched. But as others have pointed out, it was a scorching day in Perth and a lot of people left before the march began, so the police numbers are definitely a significant underestimate.

]]> By: orange http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/comment-page-1/#comment-10858 orange Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:01:10 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/#comment-10858 It is worth remembering that the rally attendance figures are distinct from the march figures. I spoke to several senior police in attendance on the day and they indicated to me that their estimates for the march (not the rally) were 15,000. Taking into account that many thousands of people left before the march began (either because of the heat or the fact that they returned to work) I think that 20-25,000 is a truer reflection of the numbers that attended the rally. Photographs taken at the rally suggest those figures also. Lets be honest now, due you think rags like "The Worst Australian" are going to tell the truth about this issue!? ...I think not! It is worth remembering that the rally attendance figures are distinct from the march figures.

I spoke to several senior police in attendance on the day and they indicated to me that their estimates for the march (not the rally) were 15,000. Taking into account that many thousands of people left before the march began (either because of the heat or the fact that they returned to work) I think that 20-25,000 is a truer reflection of the numbers that attended the rally. Photographs taken at the rally suggest those figures also.

Lets be honest now, due you think rags like “The Worst Australian” are going to tell the truth about this issue!? …I think not!

]]> By: Frank Calabrease http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/comment-page-1/#comment-10857 Frank Calabrease Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:37:08 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/#comment-10857 I think they took the police figures for the rally. I was there and listening to the police on the scanner and the end of the parade left the Esplanade when we were at least halfway down William Street. I think they took the police figures for the rally. I was there and listening to the police on the scanner and the end of the parade left the Esplanade when we were at least halfway down William Street.

]]> By: orange http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/comment-page-1/#comment-10856 orange Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:17:08 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/#comment-10856 Just a minor point about the Perth Rally....for some reason the media (a definition definitely open to interpretation in WA considering the pig-swill that they regularly serve up) obviously failed to see the other 15,000 people at the rally on the 15th November. The media's blatant under-estimate of the numbers that attended (10,000) is an insult. Accurate estimates would say there were at least 20-25,000 in attendance...and this is a conservative estimate!! In solidarity! Just a minor point about the Perth Rally….for some reason the media (a definition definitely open to interpretation in WA considering the pig-swill that they regularly serve up) obviously failed to see the other 15,000 people at the rally on the 15th November.

The media’s blatant under-estimate of the numbers that attended (10,000) is an insult. Accurate estimates would say there were at least 20-25,000 in attendance…and this is a conservative estimate!!

In solidarity!

]]> By: Wombat http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/comment-page-1/#comment-10852 Wombat Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:22:44 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/#comment-10852 To be honest, i simply think it's gutless to hide behind ministers, and decisions, and protocols. If you look at issues like immigration, particularly the Alvarez and Rau cases, he's clearly done that. The public's not perfect, so they'll accept their government's making mistakes, providing they own up to them and outline the corrective action they'll take. The problem is Johnny's such a bloody politician he'll never admit anything wrong happening under his watch. What the public deserves is someone who speaks straight, gives their opinions on issues, problems and solutions and takes responsibility for what happens under their leadership. Then they can decide if they support those views or not. I just hope the next government is like that and bloody better than the one we have now. To be honest, i simply think it’s gutless to hide behind ministers, and decisions, and protocols. If you look at issues like immigration, particularly the Alvarez and Rau cases, he’s clearly done that. The public’s not perfect, so they’ll accept their government’s making mistakes, providing they own up to them and outline the corrective action they’ll take. The problem is Johnny’s such a bloody politician he’ll never admit anything wrong happening under his watch. What the public deserves is someone who speaks straight, gives their opinions on issues, problems and solutions and takes responsibility for what happens under their leadership. Then they can decide if they support those views or not. I just hope the next government is like that and bloody better than the one we have now.

]]> By: skribe http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/comment-page-1/#comment-10851 skribe Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:27:09 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/#comment-10851 Kids Overboard is a better example than Tampa. Kids Overboard is a better example than Tampa.

]]> By: df http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/comment-page-1/#comment-10848 df Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:01:37 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/#comment-10848 tampa was blown way out of proportion, i dont think he ever lied about iraq even though the unexplained wmd, also this is kinda of the subject of industrial relations and unfair dismissal but anyway. There never has been and never will be an austrlian prime minister or (president hopefully) that will not be accused of lying or cheating. Economically the current government is the greatest in Australian history. tampa was blown way out of proportion, i dont think he ever lied about iraq even though the unexplained wmd, also this is kinda of the subject of industrial relations and unfair dismissal but anyway. There never has been and never will be an austrlian prime minister or (president hopefully) that will not be accused of lying or cheating. Economically the current government is the greatest in Australian history.

]]> By: Wombat http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/comment-page-1/#comment-10845 Wombat Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:54:29 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/#comment-10845 Mmm let's see, mmm tampa immediately comes to mind....i think people take iraq also coz of the wmd issue. Personally what bothers me about johnny is not his lying record...the fact that he's so generally evasive....ducking and diving...hiding behing ministers and advice and refusing to give a frank, honest or personal opinion on anything. Admittedly just about every other pollie does the same thing, but it really damn annoys me. Mmm let’s see, mmm tampa immediately comes to mind….i think people take iraq also coz of the wmd issue. Personally what bothers me about johnny is not his lying record…the fact that he’s so generally evasive….ducking and diving…hiding behing ministers and advice and refusing to give a frank, honest or personal opinion on anything. Admittedly just about every other pollie does the same thing, but it really damn annoys me.

]]> By: df http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/comment-page-1/#comment-10843 df Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:05:31 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/#comment-10843 John Howard seems to be labled as a 'liar' alot what exactly has he lied about? John Howard seems to be labled as a ‘liar’ alot what exactly has he lied about?

]]> By: df http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/comment-page-1/#comment-10842 df Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:01:14 +0000 http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/15/ir/#comment-10842 good point. good point.

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