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		<title>By: Yobbo</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/18/terrorism-extraordinary-powers-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-10861</link>
		<dc:creator>Yobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The frightening public face of the lunatic animal welfare fringe. 

By the way, I recently heard that tinfoil hats actually make it EASEEAR for the feds to reed ur braynewaves!!!!1!!1101!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The frightening public face of the lunatic animal welfare fringe. </p>
<p>By the way, I recently heard that tinfoil hats actually make it EASEEAR for the feds to reed ur braynewaves!!!!1!!1101!</p>
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		<title>By: wendy.lewthwaite</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/18/terrorism-extraordinary-powers-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-10860</link>
		<dc:creator>wendy.lewthwaite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After keeping quite about many things for years we will throw our hat in. Many Muslims agree with sending troops to overseas countries  to try to break up the terrorists  before they get here. Look what happend with Hitler because everybody stood back and did NOTHING.
 John Howard made it one of his first jobs when he was elected years ago to  arrange self regulation of live exporters and  those  who committ the most dreadful crimes upon animals.We think both Gods have had enough of Animal cruetly and we are only reeping what we Sow. When you look at it like that YEH it is wrong for a police to try  to protect us because after all we are ALL guilty so there by all equals.&gt; Even the  terrorists. yes madam that means you too sitting at home hanging nappies on the line and chatting over coffee with the neighbours. IF WE DO NOTHING WE ARE GUILLTY OF DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT.
Karama is  coming for us all and it is because of Animal cruelty world wide. Howard well knows this as  he  is reasponsible for much of it so you can bet your bottom dollar HE beleives  in Karma. 
Thats why he is so scared for this country but the poor miserable man who just does what he is told by PACKER Live Exporter media gaint 
 World wide until we start treating animals with  respect the world will not be a nice place.
 Children learn from their parents just like the terrorists children do. Make no mistake these people hate us and have done so for many years. Their one goal is to destroy the western  World&gt; First with selling their drugs to our kids so we have no defence and second by any means they can.
When  some  of the other counries do their bit to stop drugs being brought into our counrty you all scream..

 Australia WILL be attacked  sooner or later. Perhaps people would perfer we had no laws in preperation for when that time comes. 
A good court case is either won or lost before you walk into court by the preperation done . As for too many powers   well it might be handy if the  Army worked more closley with the Federal Police.
 They have their own lock ups and that way nobody could just say the police are only incharge.
 So for the young man who was concerned about meeting his buddy on the street corner we can only suggest perhaps you are hanging about in the wrong part of town
 Try another Corner or perhaps even try changing Company.
 Police do not just grab people for nothing. There is such a thing called attitude  and respect.
While we still have her Australia is our counrty and we should protect her in everyway we can. Crime has trippled since many of these people came., Stabbings muders etc.
 Dont quote me just read the satistics of court appearences in this country. Check out the funds gone  on  legal aid in the last  twenty years or so to this lot. 
Hardley fair on our kids when they get themselves into trouble.
We also say one day there will be a Cow Karma day&gt; Thats the day that all the Animals return in the bodies full of poison and hate  for the Australian People who stood back and did NOTHING to stop the Unmercfiful  and unnessary   cruelty to Animals in live exports AND Intensive farming.
  Stop worrying about too many laws and start worry about too much power within the media gaints of this country.
Thats where there IS too much power and BLATENT conflict of interest.
Start your own neighhood watch type groups to keep a look out accross the waters Australia wide because trust me ARE comming. Call it the Anti Howard watch for  coppers club if you like but get out on the streets and look about a bit while the coppers are all trying to protect your familys.
Muslims are basically nice people however if WE dont treat THEM with respect THEY will be driven to the more extream. so GO TO THE MOSQUES and ask&gt; How can we work together?
Would your family like to come to our familys place for dinner? etc?
 If everybody did that then we would be a LOT safter.
That does not mean that we should not  have very strick powers at the same time. There  are thousands of terriorists fighting for the  honour to b;low themselves and Western  countries up ,   what DO you want our coppers to do if they suspect somebody&gt; Give them a loly pop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After keeping quite about many things for years we will throw our hat in. Many Muslims agree with sending troops to overseas countries  to try to break up the terrorists  before they get here. Look what happend with Hitler because everybody stood back and did NOTHING.<br />
 John Howard made it one of his first jobs when he was elected years ago to  arrange self regulation of live exporters and  those  who committ the most dreadful crimes upon animals.We think both Gods have had enough of Animal cruetly and we are only reeping what we Sow. When you look at it like that YEH it is wrong for a police to try  to protect us because after all we are ALL guilty so there by all equals.&gt; Even the  terrorists. yes madam that means you too sitting at home hanging nappies on the line and chatting over coffee with the neighbours. IF WE DO NOTHING WE ARE GUILLTY OF DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT.<br />
Karama is  coming for us all and it is because of Animal cruelty world wide. Howard well knows this as  he  is reasponsible for much of it so you can bet your bottom dollar HE beleives  in Karma.<br />
Thats why he is so scared for this country but the poor miserable man who just does what he is told by PACKER Live Exporter media gaint<br />
 World wide until we start treating animals with  respect the world will not be a nice place.<br />
 Children learn from their parents just like the terrorists children do. Make no mistake these people hate us and have done so for many years. Their one goal is to destroy the western  World&gt; First with selling their drugs to our kids so we have no defence and second by any means they can.<br />
When  some  of the other counries do their bit to stop drugs being brought into our counrty you all scream..</p>
<p> Australia WILL be attacked  sooner or later. Perhaps people would perfer we had no laws in preperation for when that time comes.<br />
A good court case is either won or lost before you walk into court by the preperation done . As for too many powers   well it might be handy if the  Army worked more closley with the Federal Police.<br />
 They have their own lock ups and that way nobody could just say the police are only incharge.<br />
 So for the young man who was concerned about meeting his buddy on the street corner we can only suggest perhaps you are hanging about in the wrong part of town<br />
 Try another Corner or perhaps even try changing Company.<br />
 Police do not just grab people for nothing. There is such a thing called attitude  and respect.<br />
While we still have her Australia is our counrty and we should protect her in everyway we can. Crime has trippled since many of these people came., Stabbings muders etc.<br />
 Dont quote me just read the satistics of court appearences in this country. Check out the funds gone  on  legal aid in the last  twenty years or so to this lot.<br />
Hardley fair on our kids when they get themselves into trouble.<br />
We also say one day there will be a Cow Karma day&gt; Thats the day that all the Animals return in the bodies full of poison and hate  for the Australian People who stood back and did NOTHING to stop the Unmercfiful  and unnessary   cruelty to Animals in live exports AND Intensive farming.<br />
  Stop worrying about too many laws and start worry about too much power within the media gaints of this country.<br />
Thats where there IS too much power and BLATENT conflict of interest.<br />
Start your own neighhood watch type groups to keep a look out accross the waters Australia wide because trust me ARE comming. Call it the Anti Howard watch for  coppers club if you like but get out on the streets and look about a bit while the coppers are all trying to protect your familys.<br />
Muslims are basically nice people however if WE dont treat THEM with respect THEY will be driven to the more extream. so GO TO THE MOSQUES and ask&gt; How can we work together?<br />
Would your family like to come to our familys place for dinner? etc?<br />
 If everybody did that then we would be a LOT safter.<br />
That does not mean that we should not  have very strick powers at the same time. There  are thousands of terriorists fighting for the  honour to b;low themselves and Western  countries up ,   what DO you want our coppers to do if they suspect somebody&gt; Give them a loly pop?</p>
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		<title>By: Yobbo</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/18/terrorism-extraordinary-powers-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-10855</link>
		<dc:creator>Yobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the ridiculous &quot;move on&quot; laws? I personally know 3 people who have been arrested under this law (myself being one of them). It&#039;s quite ridiculous for the police to be able to tell you were on a public footpath you can and can not stand. If the place you are standing happens to be where you agreed to meet someone then what are you supposed to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the ridiculous &#8220;move on&#8221; laws? I personally know 3 people who have been arrested under this law (myself being one of them). It&#8217;s quite ridiculous for the police to be able to tell you were on a public footpath you can and can not stand. If the place you are standing happens to be where you agreed to meet someone then what are you supposed to do?</p>
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		<title>By: weezil</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/18/terrorism-extraordinary-powers-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-10831</link>
		<dc:creator>weezil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more time... We need a constitutional Bill of Rights for Australia. The ACT has a statutory Bill of Rights, which at the end of the day, government need not respect. This is also the flavour that Steven Ciobo is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/natint/stories/s1502935.htm&quot; / rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; advocating. &lt;/a&gt; A statutory Bill of Rights simply won&#039;t reign in an abusive government. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more time&#8230; We need a constitutional Bill of Rights for Australia. The ACT has a statutory Bill of Rights, which at the end of the day, government need not respect. This is also the flavour that Steven Ciobo is <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/natint/stories/s1502935.htm" / rel="nofollow"> advocating. </a> A statutory Bill of Rights simply won&#8217;t reign in an abusive government.</p>
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		<title>By: tmz_99</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/18/terrorism-extraordinary-powers-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-10830</link>
		<dc:creator>tmz_99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just more legistlation for what is probably one of the most legislated countries in the world. Bottom line is that the government is there to provide a standard of life for us which keeps us happy, giving the police even more rights is bound to only cause us even more stress. Why is is that people in other countries where corruption is rife seem to lead happier lives then ourselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just more legistlation for what is probably one of the most legislated countries in the world. Bottom line is that the government is there to provide a standard of life for us which keeps us happy, giving the police even more rights is bound to only cause us even more stress. Why is is that people in other countries where corruption is rife seem to lead happier lives then ourselves?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrease</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/18/terrorism-extraordinary-powers-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-10822</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 04:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200511/s1509817.htm

It seems Dr Karl is driving the legislation.

The Police Commissioner has spoken out against the Liberal Party decision.

Commissioner Karl O&#039;Callaghan says allowing suspects to seek an injunction will prevent police from responding to a terrorist threat.

&quot;The check and balance is there,&quot; he said.

&quot;If people feel aggrieved by this there is the potential for them to go to the CCC for review.

&quot;But when there is an operation in progress, to frustrate a police inquiry has the potential to bring it to a complete halt. And I don&#039;t think the public in Western Australia can afford that.&quot;

aka, They can&#039;t be stuffed getting their facts straight.</description>
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<p>It seems Dr Karl is driving the legislation.</p>
<p>The Police Commissioner has spoken out against the Liberal Party decision.</p>
<p>Commissioner Karl O&#8217;Callaghan says allowing suspects to seek an injunction will prevent police from responding to a terrorist threat.</p>
<p>&#8220;The check and balance is there,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;If people feel aggrieved by this there is the potential for them to go to the CCC for review.</p>
<p>&#8220;But when there is an operation in progress, to frustrate a police inquiry has the potential to bring it to a complete halt. And I don&#8217;t think the public in Western Australia can afford that.&#8221;</p>
<p>aka, They can&#8217;t be stuffed getting their facts straight.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/18/terrorism-extraordinary-powers-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-10820</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the obvious has been pointed out â€“ S.E. Asiaâ€™s most wanted â€œterroristâ€ Noordin Mohammed Top is now accusing Howard and Downer of taking Australia in the wrong direction, so we are all targets now.  Thank you Mr. Howard and Mr. Downer.

Most aware Australians knew this would happen.  Itâ€™s not surprising at all.  Has our government protected us?  All we can expect now is a terrorist attack by a group that wants to make a point that the coalition hasn&#039;t acted in our best interest  - or theirs either.  Apart from the privileged, can we expect any person who &quot;appears&quot; suspicious to have a fair trial?

The great divide is back again.  Mr. Howard must have been distressed in 1976 when the White Australia Policy was abolished.  He can indemnify this now with our new anti-terrorism legislation.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the obvious has been pointed out â€“ S.E. Asiaâ€™s most wanted â€œterroristâ€ Noordin Mohammed Top is now accusing Howard and Downer of taking Australia in the wrong direction, so we are all targets now.  Thank you Mr. Howard and Mr. Downer.</p>
<p>Most aware Australians knew this would happen.  Itâ€™s not surprising at all.  Has our government protected us?  All we can expect now is a terrorist attack by a group that wants to make a point that the coalition hasn&#8217;t acted in our best interest  &#8211; or theirs either.  Apart from the privileged, can we expect any person who &#8220;appears&#8221; suspicious to have a fair trial?</p>
<p>The great divide is back again.  Mr. Howard must have been distressed in 1976 when the White Australia Policy was abolished.  He can indemnify this now with our new anti-terrorism legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex White</title>
		<link>http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/18/terrorism-extraordinary-powers-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-10819</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d think the Labor MPs and policy wonks who come up with &quot;genius&quot; legislation like this would consider what could be done with it if the ALP wasn&#039;t in power... and given the history of the Labor Party, its concerning to say the least to consider what they could do with it &lt;i&gt;when&lt;/i&gt; in power (strike busting comes to mind)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d think the Labor MPs and policy wonks who come up with &#8220;genius&#8221; legislation like this would consider what could be done with it if the ALP wasn&#8217;t in power&#8230; and given the history of the Labor Party, its concerning to say the least to consider what they could do with it <i>when</i> in power (strike busting comes to mind)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrease</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, if Gallop had done nothing re enacting anti-terrorism legilation, then Howard, Birney, Mooner Murray , Liam &quot;Liberal Lover&quot; Bartlett and of course Paul Armstrong - editor of the Herdsman Lake sub-branch of the Liberal -erm West Australian, and their brain-dead listeners/readers would be shouting from the rooftops that the Govt supports terrorists.

PLus, if someone DARES criticises these laws then they will immediately be classed a &quot;Terrorist Sympathiser&quot;

It&#039;s a pity that the ALP has to play copycat and one-upmanship to Canberra, but it is a case of Damned if you do, Damned if you don&#039;t.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, if Gallop had done nothing re enacting anti-terrorism legilation, then Howard, Birney, Mooner Murray , Liam &#8220;Liberal Lover&#8221; Bartlett and of course Paul Armstrong &#8211; editor of the Herdsman Lake sub-branch of the Liberal -erm West Australian, and their brain-dead listeners/readers would be shouting from the rooftops that the Govt supports terrorists.</p>
<p>PLus, if someone DARES criticises these laws then they will immediately be classed a &#8220;Terrorist Sympathiser&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pity that the ALP has to play copycat and one-upmanship to Canberra, but it is a case of Damned if you do, Damned if you don&#8217;t.</p>
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